Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

[AGranderson]

So I heard around the rink today Jack Beck will return Thursday in Windsor. How will our lineup shape up with all 24 players being available except Smyth as he is going to miss significant time.

 

[OMG67]

Therefore we don’t have all of our own picks

I don’t understand what you mean. Teams make trades and trade their picks. They also acquire other picks. We don’t have all of the OTT picks but we have other picks. I guess I don’t understand why you were asking specifically about OTT picks. Guelph and Niagara may finish last and second last int he league this year meaning we will get the 1st and 2nd picks in the 2nd round Instead of th least pick of the 2nd round if it were an OTT pick. Thi sis why I don’t understand why you would need to point out which of the picks of OTT we don’t have vs the totality of the picks we do have.

In fairness, we won’t pick with either of the 2nds in 2023. I assume both will be traded.

So I heard around the rink today Jack Beck will return Thursday in Windsor. How will our lineup shape up with all 24 players being available except Smyth as he is going to miss significant time.

Mews will play defence. Beck will line up beside Tolnai. Foster likely plays with Gardiner and Gerrior. Barlas slides to the 4th line. Quick and Marrelli move out of the lineup.

 

[AGranderson]

I think G.Ewles has been playing fantastic to bad he will have to sit out going forward my guess

Stonehouse/Tolnai/Beck
Pinelli/Rohrer/Boucher
Barlas/Gard/Foster
Gerrior/Dever/Kelly

Mayich/Matier
Sirman/Cost
Marrelli/Mews

4 sharp lines

Quick, laforme, getting in for Kelly & maybe Dever, Ewles getting in for Marrelli when they can

until trades are made

 

[44 95 plus tax]

So I heard around the rink today Jack Beck will return Thursday in Windsor. How will our lineup shape up with all 24 players being available except Smyth as he is going to miss significant time.

I heard he was skating but no contact yet.

 

[beastintheeast]

OMG who would you say the 67's should go for to add to the RW as insurance for Beck

Also I think we may see a couple of players traded. Would love to see Ewle go somewhere he is going to get the ice time and I am sure he would be a willing part of any trade.

 

[OMG67]

OMG who would you say the 67's should go for to add to the RW as insurance for Beck

Also I think we may see a couple of players traded. Would love to see Ewle go somewhere he is going to get the ice time and I am sure he would be a willing part of any trade.

At this point, I wouldn’t worry too much at forward if a lefty plays on the right side. It isn’t as important as the D-Man lining up on the proper side. The way the 67’s play there isn’t as much work along the side boards. Their boards work is mostly on the cycle down low where it doesn’t matter as much. They use speed so it isn’t as important.

Regarding players traded, it will mostly come down to who they end up getting. I doubt we see a player traded for Morrison. I can’t see a D-Man traded unless we trade for an impact D-Man. They won’t go down to 7 D-Men. I could see a kid like Ewles traded if they were to get Mintyukov or Kyrou. But, I can’t see them go in that direction to be honest.

If they go after a player like Harrison or Zhilkin as a second forward, I think it is likely we would need to part with a 17 year old forward. With luck, it would end up being someone like Dever who wouldn’t fit into the starting lineup. I highly doubt we’d trade a kid like Foster. He’s close to a point per game. Same with Gardiner. Both are significant contributors on this roster. At worse, I think we could see a player like Barlas involved. So Barlas or Dever would be the most likely candidates to be used in a deal for another forward. The 17 year olds all have no trade clauses as high school students. It would be interesting to see whether they have issues in that regard.

The reality is the 67’s are blessed with a lot of picks. Both 2nds in the 2023 draft are lining up like late 1sts (Niagara and Guelph). Both will have rather big value. Early picks in the next draft are highly sought after and are significantly valued compared to random 2nds in future drafts. One would go in the Morrison deal and the other would go in the deal for the second forward. It would definitely be a tie breaker compared to other offers.

 

[AGranderson]

I highly disagree. I do not think you will see Barlas or Dever moved. SL, EQ, CK, GE will be the players thrown in trades with picks. Time will tell. I think all trading is stopped for the WJ’s this week and not back on until almost the new year

 

[AGranderson]

I think McKenzie is going to be suspended don’t know how long, but what does this mean for us? Who is the next man up?

 

[beastintheeast]

I think McKenzie is going to be suspended don’t know how long, but what does this mean for us? Who is the next man up?

Just because they not be allowed to announce a trade does not mean that trades are not gong to happen. As I said on the ranger thread I think the table talk in the Pinelli home will be interesting.

It would not surprise me to hear that he has asked for a trade to Ottawa at that point he is a gift that would resolve the Beck situation.

As to what the other teams are going to want. You can be guaranteed that they will want one of our young forwards. The thinking is that you can rebuild faster through bodies than picks.

The point though is going to be how bad does Boyd want let's say Morrison. or any player.

OMG has the market pegged. The only reason that you would get Pinelli if you can get Morrison is if the price is right and you are worried about Beck.

 

[PuckStop75]

I think McKenzie is going to be suspended don’t know how long, but what does this mean for us? Who is the next man up?

It was written up as 2 game misconducts so I would expect both to get 4 games each (2 for leaving the crease, 2 for removing the buckets). The fight was in the last 5 min. of regulation also so they may tack on a game or two for that. The interest will be in sending a message that altercations at the end of games where the result is already determined, Leskovar will see a suspension also but he spends most nights in the stands anyways so nothing lost there for the Petes.

For Ottawa they will likely temp. card a goalie to back-up Donoso while MacKenzie serves his suspension. It doesn't necessarily need to be a next in line, it could be just about anyone as long as they have no interest or reason to protect their NCAA eligibility. In 2018/19 they pulled Alex Zoutis from CCHL2 to cover a game, and gave him 30 secs of fame.

 

[44 95 plus tax]

It was written up as 2 game misconducts so I would expect both to get 4 games each (2 for leaving the crease, 2 for removing the buckets). The fight was in the last 5 min. of regulation also so they may tack on a game or two for that. The interest will be in sending a message that altercations at the end of games where the result is already determined, Leskovar will see a suspension also but he spends most nights in the stands anyways so nothing lost there for the Petes.

For Ottawa they will likely temp. card a goalie to back-up Donoso while MacKenzie serves his suspension. It doesn't necessarily need to be a next in line, it could be just about anyone as long as they have no interest or reason to protect their NCAA eligibility. In 2018/19 they pulled Alex Zoutis from CCHL2 to cover a game, and gave him 30 secs of fame.

I believe with goalies, they can be a back up and still keep the NCAA eligibility if they don't play.

 

[PuckStop75]

I believe with goalies, they can be a back up and still keep the NCAA eligibility if they don't play.

Unfortunately, that is not the case. The player needs to be carded to be on the bench, even if temporary they are deemed to have participated and the NCAA does not permit that. The rules would always be interpretative by the NCAA but I suspect if a player signs a card, dresses for the game and appears on a game sheet the discussion with the NCAA Eligibility Centre and Board of Counselors is pretty brief. The usual Div II & III options would always be available.

 

[NordiquesForeva]

On thing I will say, as this team needs to get quite a bit tougher at the bottom of the lineup. Having Boucher back will help; I wonder how much of the garbage from yesterday's game would have happened if Boucher was dressed? Maybe not as much (or maybe Boucher pours gasoline on the fire)...all I know is that I think we need a few more guys with some size and the willingness and ability to stick up for teammates when things get out of hand like they did yesterday. The one game recently where Barlas, Gardiner and I think Mayich fought showed that they were willing to stand up for their teammates, but lets face it none of those guys are intimidating or strike much fear in the heart of their opponents.

Peterborough will pay a price in terms of man games lost to suspension, but Peterborough should have also paid a stiffer price on the ice too imo. Guys like Lockhart shouldn't be running around roughing up our players after the whistle, they need to put in their place swiftly and harshly.

 

[ohloutsider]

I highly disagree. I do not think you will see Barlas or Dever moved. SL, EQ, CK, GE will be the players thrown in trades with picks. Time will tell. I think all trading is stopped for the WJ’s this week and not back on until almost the new year

Trade deadline

I highly disagree. I do not think you will see Barlas or Dever moved. SL, EQ, CK, GE will be the players thrown in trades with picks. Time will tell. I think all trading is stopped for the WJ’s this week and not back on until almost the new year

Trade deadline starts Dec 19th for all players not involved with the WJT and reopens again Dec 27th for all players not involved with the WJT. 16 yr old first rounders only and 1st year imports opens Jan 1st. All players involved with the WJT cannot be traded until they have been released back to their teams. This date can very depending on when their team is eliminated from the tourney. Hope this helps.

 

[OMG67]

I highly disagree. I do not think you will see Barlas or Dever moved. SL, EQ, CK, GE will be the players thrown in trades with picks. Time will tell. I think all trading is stopped for the WJ’s this week and not back on until almost the new year

Caden Kelly is not trade eligible as a 16 year old picked outside the first round. Steven Laforme and Ethan Quick has zero value or close to it. At best they are toss ins to make roster space. That leaves Ewles. If they trade him they would need to go out and get another D-Man to replace him. They won’t go into the second half and playoffs with 7 rostered D-Men.

 

[PuckStop75]

On thing I will say, as this team needs to get quite a bit tougher at the bottom of the lineup. Having Boucher back will help; I wonder how much of the garbage from yesterday's game would have happened if Boucher was dressed? Maybe not as much (or maybe Boucher pours gasoline on the fire)...all I know is that I think we need a few more guys with some size and the willingness and ability to stick up for teammates when things get out of hand like they did yesterday. The one game recently where Barlas, Gardiner and I think Mayich fought showed that they were willing to stand up for their teammates, but lets face it none of those guys are intimidating or strike much fear in the heart of their opponents.

Peterborough will pay a price in terms of man games lost to suspension, but Peterborough should have also paid a stiffer price on the ice too imo. Guys like Lockhart shouldn't be running around roughing up our players after the whistle, they need to put in their place swiftly and harshly.

The fact that the team can't take care of Lockhart, all 5'9 160lbs of him should really open a few eyes for people. That is the style of play the team should expect to face in the playoffs every night.
Get into a lengthy playoff series and that becomes a factor, they can't be expecting Boucher to deal with every thorn in the side player that hits the ice. I think this really highlights where the concerns are for me with the depth that the team has or doesn't in this case. You can't have 1st/2nd line players defending the 3rd 4th line guys in the playoffs because guys are incapable of doing it themselves.

 

[OMG67]

The fact that the team can't take care of Lockhart, all 5'9 160lbs of him should really open a few eyes for people. That is the style of play the team should expect to face in the playoffs every night.
Get into a lengthy playoff series and that becomes a factor, they can't be expecting Boucher to deal with every thorn in the side player that hits the ice. I think this really highlights where the concerns are for me with the depth that the team has or doesn't in this case. You can't have 1st/2nd line players defending the 3rd 4th line guys in the playoffs because guys are incapable of doing it themselves.

There is an age imbalance. A lot of younger players. Adding 2-3 veterans will go a long way regardless of their toughness.

 

[NordiquesForeva]

The fact that the team can't take care of Lockhart, all 5'9 160lbs of him should really open a few eyes for people. That is the style of play the team should expect to face in the playoffs every night.
Get into a lengthy playoff series and that becomes a factor, they can't be expecting Boucher to deal with every thorn in the side player that hits the ice. I think this really highlights where the concerns are for me with the depth that the team has or doesn't in this case. You can't have 1st/2nd line players defending the 3rd 4th line guys in the playoffs because guys are incapable of doing it themselves.

That's my fear too honestly, that over a 7-game series an opponent with some size and experience up and down the lineup just wears down Ottawa or is able to get them off their game enough to push the series more than it needs to go. Getting the win yesterday in lop-sided fashion was nice, and like I said I imagine there will be suspensions coming down this week for a few of the Peterborough players, but for a divisional rival with championship aspirations like Peterborough to take liberties with our guys on our home ice shouldn't be accepted. That stuff needs to be stopped, and I agree that Boucher shouldn't always be the one to have to do it. I think I'm in the majority when I say that Boucher is more valuable on the ice than in the press box. Our skill players need room to maneuver out there.

Even a calming, veteran presence like Alex Johnston, the player we brought in from the Soo last year as an OA, would help. Players like that tend to have a good reputation around the league and can calm the waters when things get out of hand.

 

[Neill99]

Does anyone think or know if goaltender Birk Cassels will be playing for the Ottawa 67's or will his rights be traded to another OHL team since they have to many goaltenders thanks.

 

[OMG67]

Does anyone think or know if goaltender Birk Cassels will be playing for the Ottawa 67's or will his rights be traded to another OHL team since they have to many goaltenders thanks.

My understanding is he is NCAA and there is no chance of OHL. Dad was a 67 so I doubt it is an issue of not wanting to be in Ottawa.

MacKenzie is a good goalie and can be a starter now. If Cassels were to push in training camp and back that up with a great year in Ohio this season, there would be less sense keeping Donoso as an OA. So, regardless sof the current lineup or depth chart, there would be room here for him as a 17 year old if he was talented enough and demonstrated it.

 

[HockeyPops]

Even a calming, veteran presence like Alex Johnston, the player we brought in from the Soo last year as an OA, would help. Players like that tend to have a good reputation around the league and can calm the waters when things get out of hand.

Wasn't he a waiver claim?

 

[Bra Wavers]

Well 67 fans, I tip my cap to your team. Your depth is very impressive especially when you consider that you’ve only traded players away and not added anything yet.

A 21-4 record while playing with an open OA spot and an open import spot is incredible. The young guys are playing well and no glaring weaknesses that need to be addressed. The young guys may struggle with consistency later in the season & playoffs, when the games get tougher. You have lots of picks available though to add quality experience and lengthen the lineup.

In yesterday’s game your D unit did a great job of moving the puck quickly and avoiding the forechecking pressure from the Petes. I was most impressed by the puck pursuit by your entire team. The Petes have quality players but they had very little time and space when they got the puck on their stick.

I’m hopeful that the Petes get things back on track after the deadline and we have some exciting Petes-67 games ahead. These teams will definitely be different when they play next - Feb. 16th in Peterborough before playing a home and home the last week of the regular season, March 23/24.

See you in 2+ months.
Happy holidays and best of luck…..normally I wouldn’t wish you luck but with your record I really don’t think it matters.

Btw….the goalie fight reminded me of two fans wearing those Sumo suits and fighting at Centre ice between periods.

 

[NordiquesForeva]

Well 67 fans, I tip my cap to your team. Your depth is very impressive especially when you consider that you’ve only traded players away and not added anything yet.

A 21-4 record while playing with an open OA spot and an open import spot is incredible. The young guys are playing well and no glaring weaknesses that need to be addressed. The young guys may struggle with consistency later in the season & playoffs, when the games get tougher. You have lots of picks available though to add quality experience and lengthen the lineup.

In yesterday’s game your D unit did a great job of moving the puck quickly and avoiding the forechecking pressure from the Petes. I was most impressed by the puck pursuit by your entire team. The Petes have quality players but they had very little time and space when they got the puck on their stick.

I’m hopeful that the Petes get things back on track after the deadline and we have some exciting Petes-67 games ahead. These teams will definitely be different when they play next - Feb. 16th in Peterborough before playing a home and home the last week of the regular season, March 23/24.

See you in 2+ months.
Happy holidays and best of luck…..normally I wouldn’t wish you luck but with your record I really don’t think it matters.

Btw….the goalie fight reminded me of two fans wearing those Sumo suits and fighting at Centre ice between periods.

I'm happy with the result yesterday, and the fact that some of our starts that had been under-performing recently (Rohrer, Pinelli, Stonehouse come to mind) seemed themselves yesterday. Its been a while. I don't like the fact that Peterborough came into our barn and set the tone physically all game, even well before some plays that crossed the line when the game was already out of reach.

I was worried about the Peterborough game, as they were an impressive group when they came into Ottawa in late November and handed us our first loss. Much less impressive yesterday, despite the recent addition. Will be interesting to see if they can get their house in order in terms of discipline, and breathe some life into their offense.

 

[Larionov]

Unfortunately, that is not the case. The player needs to be carded to be on the bench, even if temporary they are deemed to have participated and the NCAA does not permit that. The rules would always be interpretative by the NCAA but I suspect if a player signs a card, dresses for the game and appears on a game sheet the discussion with the NCAA Eligibility Centre and Board of Counselors is pretty brief. The usual Div II & III options would always be available.

I don't know the ins and outs of NCAA rules for hockey, so I'm sure you're right, but it is funny to think that there are football players at Power 5 schools now getting hundreds of thousands, and in some cases over a million in NIL (name, image and likeness) money, yet a hockey player might be deemed ineligible for having been a backup in a major junior game. It would actually be perfectly on brand for NCAA - get tough in one area to distract everyone from the circus in another...

 

[OMG67]

I don't know the ins and outs of NCAA rules for hockey, so I'm sure you're right, but it is funny to think that there are football players at Power 5 schools now getting hundreds of thousands, and in some cases over a million in NIL (name, image and likeness) money, yet a hockey player might be deemed ineligible for having been a backup in a major junior game. It would actually be perfectly on brand for NCAA - get tough in one area to distract everyone from the circus in another...

The funny thing is, the player doesn’t even need to dress. Only needs his name on the lineup. Or, accept any assistance for training camp. For players wanting to go NCAA and come to training camp, they only have 48 hours to participate and it has to be on their own dime.

It is pretty ridiculous really.