Proposal: Ott - edm
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ManofSteel55
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This. I don't see why Ottawa would need Nuge at this point. If we were to be trading Nuge there are other teams with more of a need for a top six C that I would think would show more interest than Ottawa.
Kamiccolo
Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is.
if they are not hyped they dont exist
No kidding we have two of the most productive players in the CHL ,and yet we are doomed to have to resign Brassard to a huge money long term contract at 33 years of age to compensateThe leaf bubble ,most of their fans live in is very comical
Really guys? You are counting on your top 2 prospects panning out to their ceilings here. Brown has tons of question marks and Chabot is not guaranteed to be a top pairing D.
Even if those two guys leave, my other points are still valid. His contract will take cap space away from a competitive team.
Before you say it Matthews/Nylander/Marner are on another tier from those two guys. Arguably the best prospects in the Leafs 100 year history. This would be like Leaf fans saying Kapanen and Neilson will be our #1 Winger and top pairing D of the future.
Xspyrit
DJ Dorion
Yeah, not interested in this deal as a Sens fan
Surprising! Only Sens fan to say yes is Uchiha
They're probably a wash when you take cap hit into account. Phaneuf actually will cost 33.0 for his 5 years in Ottawa, which is 6.6 on average
And considering that acquiring him made them save 11.7 millions just this year, Phaneuf is actually a bargain for the Sens (cost about 4 millions per year on average when you take cap dump savings into account), so despite a high cap hit, I think having Phaneuf is well worth it in Sens mangement eyes
Very good value wise, but the Sens don't need centers (Turris, Brassard, Pageau, Smith, and then Paul, Brown, White...)
Surprising! Only Sens fan to say yes is Uchiha
They're probably a wash when you take cap hit into account. Phaneuf actually will cost 33.0 for his 5 years in Ottawa, which is 6.6 on average
And considering that acquiring him made them save 11.7 millions just this year, Phaneuf is actually a bargain for the Sens (cost about 4 millions per year on average when you take cap dump savings into account), so despite a high cap hit, I think having Phaneuf is well worth it in Sens mangement eyes
Very good value wise, but the Sens don't need centers (Turris, Brassard, Pageau, Smith, and then Paul, Brown, White...)
Kamiccolo
Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is.
RNH is a better C than all of those guys though. A top 2 C of RNH and Turris is great and lets you move some other guys for other needs.
Kamiccolo
Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is.
I disagree. After this year all the traded salary is off the books. So even if they save 11.7 M:
Next year his actual salary is 7.5
After that it's 7
then 6.5 for two years and then 5 for the last which means..
After this year he will cost the sens 32M in Salary. This negates any sort of gain they got right now, and hurts them in the long run.
It was a poor trade.
TheNewEra
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there is also white/gagne/perron/englund, im sure out of those 6 someone reaches near their potential. We in ottawa arent counting on all our specs hitting full potential lol but the odds of everyone not hitting near their potential is very low. Absolute worst case is those 6 being 3rd liners/3rd pairings and we can easily use them to replace more expensive guys if we are that strapped for cash. Also when did nylander jump up a tier lol.
And as mentioned by my other post in 2 years phaneufs declining salary will make him easier to move if need be. Really depends on if he can continue to play at a 2nd pairing level or if he randomly drops off
Xspyrit
DJ Dorion
Notice that I haven't replied to any of your comments... There's so much wrong that I'll leave you have your opinion. Unless you pay me, I won't go any further
By the way, your math on Phaneuf is wrong to begin with
I am generous though and will help you :
https://www.capfriendly.com/players/dion-phaneuf
TheNewEra
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Kamiccolo
Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is.
Notice that I haven't replied to any of your comments... There's so much wrong that I'll leave you have your opinion. Unless you pay me, I won't go any further
By the way, your math on Phaneuf is wrong to begin with
I am generous though and will help you :
https://www.capfriendly.com/players/dion-phaneuf
Sorry take away 7.5M from 32 and you still get a net 20M loss. The point still stands that if this was financially motivated it is still a loss.
Still remains to be seen if the Leafs can turn any of the assets into something as well. Michalek is on our top line, who knows maybe he fetches us a draft pick. Lindgren might turn into something, or maybe the 2nd does. Who knows.
Just have to think why would the Leafs willingly eat so much cap damage just to get out of his deal long term? They seen the decline over the past few years as well..
Why wouldnt we ??we drafted them to what then ??In a cap world you need to continuely draft and develop players.To replace older more expensive players ,Ottawa has done this time and time again .Why do you think we are going to just start to stop doing this??The budget is there so we have flexibilty ,to keep the best of our talent until we find the right pieces .As for Brown and his many holes ,he is 18 years old and currently has 17 points in his first 8 games .He looks everybit like a top center prospect
You guys paid for his retention up front ,Ottawa isnt a cap team and really has no reason to be .You are just looking at the support players and not the actual core of the team ,which is very small ATM
bert
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This isnt true lol.
No thanks from the sens this makes the team much worse immediately.
bert
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if they are not hyped they dont exist
If Chlapik and Brown were leafs prospects with the starts they have had im sure they would be household names on HF by now.
Yep ,i tend not to get too worked about prospects as much anymore .They do look good ,but then again so did Rundblad and Cowen
Lmfao RNH is not better than Turris or Brassard. RNH has never hit 60 points, ever.
RNH may be better in the future as he's younger but not currently. Combine that with the fact that RNH has a 6 million dollar cap hit, well I take Turris/Brassard every day of the week and twice on sundays.
Center is not a need for Ottawa with Turris/Brassard/JGP down the middle. Certainly not at the cost of our young top 4 RHD in Ceci, and certainly not for a guy who is worse than our current 2 top C's and making more money.
So i've read a ton of the comments, and I have a few thoughts
A. Sens would drastically improve with RNH, the guy is very very good. Not saying Brassard is not good, he is, but RNH would be our 1C no question, Turris would excel even more in the 2C role.
B. Sekera > Phaneuf, its not even a question. Yes, Phaneuf has a better shot, and probably more valuable on the PP, but Sekera is far better 5 on 5.
C. Yes I understand that Ceci might be better than Fayne, but Ceci is overrated and I think a lot of people mistake him for a very good D when in fact he has not shown it at all. Look at his 5 on 5 numbers for his career, not very good. Sure he can move the puck, but he will spend 10 minutes chasing it like a chicken with his head cut off in his own end prior to that.
Again, EDM needs value for RNH, so thats where Ceci comes in as the RHD, and we replace him with Fayne. I don't see it being as lopsided as some of you think
I would have done this deal as well. Hell I was shocked that they didnt pull the trigger on Drouin with Ceci as the main piece. Blows my mind.
Xspyrit
DJ Dorion
Couldn't resist...
How come it is still a loss? Phaneuf cost 33.0 for 5 years, on average 6.6 per year. He was NEEDED on the team, as we have missed a veteran #2/3 since we let Gonchar go (he was getting old)
The team was able to financially get away from almost 12.0 by trading 3 UNWANTED contracts (Michalek is still a serviceable player but it was time to move on and give his role to a much younger/cheaper player (Dzingel))
So basically, the NET cost for Phaneuf on the team (in $$$ you know) is about 21.0 for 5 years, which is about 4.0 per season. It is perfect for the Sens, and for them it's all about money and NOT cap space. The team hasn't spend to the cap in a decade.
BUT DON'T WORRY MY FRIEND, you will sleep well tonight after what I will tell you right now : that has nothing to do with the Leafs and their motivations to make that deal. That's great if it helped them, but I am explaining you from a Sens POV why this deal is great for them.
Sens are not only counting on Brown and Chabot. They have several solid prospects like White, Perron, Dahlen, Chlapik, Gagne, Englund, Jaros, Hogberg, Paul... Some of them will succeed you can be sure. The Sens are good at drafting and developing NHL players. Well, they have no choice because they are not rich like Toronto, Montreal or the Rangers...
