I might do that, value is fair, I'm just not sure if the Sens really need another center who is not much (if at all) better than Turris or Brassard.
I'd lean towards no.
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I might do that, value is fair, I'm just not sure if the Sens really need another center who is not much (if at all) better than Turris or Brassard.
I'd lean towards no.
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Not sure why. Dion brings more physicality and has a bigger shot, but Sekera is more mobile, breaks the puck out better, and is deadly in 3 on 3 OT situations. Also prefer Sekera's character. Both are solid #3's, I'll take the guy with the lower cap hit.
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I'm a fan of both teams and I can confidently say this is awful for Ottawa, but great for Edmonton.
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We have a guy that fits the mold of how you describe Sekera however he is the best in the league at it so Sens easily pass on this trade.
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Problem here for Ottawa is that we're giving up Ceci and have basically no one to replace him and we have nothing coming up on the right side on top of it..
I'd rather have Sekera than Phaneuf, both same lenght of contract but I think Sekera has tools, especially skating, to be better long term than Phaneuf. Sekera plays a style that fits Bouchers system much better also.
Ottawa wouldn't trade Brassard either, Ottawa has to pay him peanuts for the next 2 seasons compared to the 6M RNH will be making so that's something Ottawa wouldn't be willing to do IMO (but you have the security of having a controlled asset for much longer in RNH).
Having Sekera would give us better transition as he's better than Phaneuf and Ceci at it at this point.
Something to consider here is that Ottawa will lose Methot in expansion draft because they'll have to protect Karlsson,Phaneuf and I'm pretty sure they'll protect Ceci over Methot. That means we lose a Dman no matter what...
So this way we get to keep Methot who has a much better contract instead of Phaneuf and we trade Ceci for Sekera who's IMO pretty much a best case scenario for Ceci or a reasonnable expectation of what he could become down the road.
All in all, at the end of the season, a Phaneuf + Ceci for Sekera +?? Is something I'd consider and I think it could be a good deal for both teams. Ottawa would have to sign a Dman in the Offseason or see where the rookies like Chabot and Englund are in their development..
Basically we'd have..
Methot - Karlsson
Sekera - UFA
Chabot - Wideman
Boro/Claesson
Instead of
Phaneuf - Karlsson
UFA - Ceci
Chabot - Wideman
I'd rather have Sekera than Phaneuf, both same lenght of contract but I think Sekera has tools, especially skating, to be better long term than Phaneuf. Sekera plays a style that fits Bouchers system much better also.
Ottawa wouldn't trade Brassard either, Ottawa has to pay him peanuts for the next 2 seasons compared to the 6M RNH will be making so that's something Ottawa wouldn't be willing to do IMO (but you have the security of having a controlled asset for much longer in RNH).
Having Sekera would give us better transition as he's better than Phaneuf and Ceci at it at this point.
Something to consider here is that Ottawa will lose Methot in expansion draft because they'll have to protect Karlsson,Phaneuf and I'm pretty sure they'll protect Ceci over Methot. That means we lose a Dman no matter what...
So this way we get to keep Methot who has a much better contract instead of Phaneuf and we trade Ceci for Sekera who's IMO pretty much a best case scenario for Ceci or a reasonnable expectation of what he could become down the road.
All in all, at the end of the season, a Phaneuf + Ceci for Sekera +?? Is something I'd consider and I think it could be a good deal for both teams. Ottawa would have to sign a Dman in the Offseason or see where the rookies like Chabot and Englund are in their development..
Basically we'd have..
Methot - Karlsson
Sekera - UFA
Chabot - Wideman
Boro/Claesson
Instead of
Phaneuf - Karlsson
UFA - Ceci
Chabot - Wideman
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KevinRedkey
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Personally, I think they are about on par with each other, but I do lean towards Dion. Depends what you're looking for in a dman I guess. Both are solid 2nd pairing Dmen.
I lean to Phaneuf
You lean to Sekera
I don't think either of us are wrong.
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We're not giving up our entire 2nd pairing for a slightly overpaid Sekera, Fayne who is a terrible throw in and at this point in time, I'll take Brassard over Nuge quite easily... We lose almost every aspect of the trade.. No chance, lock'er up!
Kamiccolo
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Ottawa loses this trade based purely on value and say no, however I don't see Edmonton touching Phaneufs contract to make this happen with their youth needing contracts in a few years.
Phaneuf's contract is starting to become as bad as predicted. He was a #2 at worst when he signed it, I personally believe he was a low end #1, but last year he got passed by Rielly + Gardiner, and was starting to get passed by guys like Marincin before he was traded. When he left the Leafs he was our #4 D.
That is going to hinder Ottawa for the next however many years.
Phaneuf's contract is starting to become as bad as predicted. He was a #2 at worst when he signed it, I personally believe he was a low end #1, but last year he got passed by Rielly + Gardiner, and was starting to get passed by guys like Marincin before he was traded. When he left the Leafs he was our #4 D.
That is going to hinder Ottawa for the next however many years.
No it isnt ,he was and is a bridge player for us .Methot wont last in an expansion draft ,and Ottawa wouldnt have been interested in giving him a long term deal after next season.
If Phaneuf can give us three years of decent play the deal for us was still worth it ,his final couple of seasons he can play on our bottom pairing .Or we retain a couple of mill and trade him .Leaf fans really should look at what other teams are doing rather than just blurt out things they have no clue about
Kamiccolo
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No it isnt ,he was and is a bridge player for us .Methot wont last in an expansion draft ,and Ottawa wouldnt have been interested in giving him a long term deal after next season.
If Phaneuf can give us three years of decent play the deal for us was still worth it ,his final couple of seasons he can play on our bottom pairing .Or we retain a couple of mill and trade him .Leaf fans really should look at what other teams are doing rather than just blurt out things they have no clue about
What other teams are doing? Like the Rangers who are stuck between keeping an expensive Pylon on their roster or buying him out and screwing themselves over?
Or the Panthers who moved their top prospect to dump a guy who was LTIR and was just cap space/no real dollars?
Or the Leafs who moved Clarkson for a guy who would never play again and are going to pay his salary?
Ottawa is having trouble with Macarthurs salary, never mind Dion's. I think YOU should look at other teams and how much a terrible contract can and will hinder the success of a team.
Again ,no clue .What cap issues does Ottawa have now and moving forward??Please list them ??
Kamiccolo
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Twice now you have said I have no clue, yet not backed your claim up while I gave multiple examples. I would like to see some examples from you that point to your viewpoint please.
As for cap issues, they are clearly a budget team. Karlsson has 3 years left on his deal and is going to command easily 10+ M or 4M for a raise. 4M is a top 6 player. At this time, Phaneuf and Ryan will be two big contracts that are not worth the player.
Brassard expires that year as well, and so does Methot the year before, Ceci will need a longterm deal, Macarthur will be on the payroll and therefore will be another spot taken.
As you can see, there are tons of cap casualties possible here.
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there are teams with stricter budgets compared to ottawa (even im surprised haha)
if phaneuf lasts 2 seasons with at least 2nd pairing play then he becomes easier to move since his salary will be below his cap hit
You really are reaching here .Methot will probably be claimed in the expansion draft,or not resigned after his current deal.Replaced by Chabot .Brassard will not be resigned at the age of 33 ,but will have his spot filled by either White or Brown.That gives us alone gives us 10 mil .You seem to think ,that Ottawa has no prospects or that our team is pretty much going to remain static .For the next few seasons ,when in fact .Our Core is actually still being developed
TheNewEra
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No kidding we have two of the most productive players in the CHL ,and yet we are doomed to have to resign Brassard to a huge money long term contract at 33 years of age to compensateif they are not hyped they dont exist
The leaf bubble ,most of their fans live in is very comical 
