Confirmed Trade: [OTT/BUF] Dylan Cozens, Dennis Gilbert, and 2026 2nd round pick for Josh Norris and Jacob Bernard-Docker
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Yeah Norris real dollars for the next few years is 9.5 million, which I’m sure played a part in wanting to move him.
Sens saved ~1 mill cap per season, and 7 million in cash over the next 3 seasons.
Sens saved ~1 mill cap per season, and 7 million in cash over the next 3 seasons.
Buffalo gave a 2nd because Norris is still the more polished, reliable, and responsible player.
Cozens has been good, but let's see how he deals with the lows. With Norris you mostly knew what you were going to get, for better or worse.
Ottawa fans especially can appreciate how different players can look due to the team environment. The last 4 years really taught us that even our best players (Brady, Chabot, Stutzle, etc) can look absolutely garbage when the team isn't built well or coaches well.
Still remember everyone wanting to dump Chabot last year, who looked broken at times and probably had like 5+ turnover leading directly to game winners.
Cozens has been good, but let's see how he deals with the lows. With Norris you mostly knew what you were going to get, for better or worse.
Ottawa fans especially can appreciate how different players can look due to the team environment. The last 4 years really taught us that even our best players (Brady, Chabot, Stutzle, etc) can look absolutely garbage when the team isn't built well or coaches well.
Still remember everyone wanting to dump Chabot last year, who looked broken at times and probably had like 5+ turnover leading directly to game winners.
Cozens, the newest Sabres player to leave that wasteland known as buffalo and breaks out elsewhere. Who's next, dahlin?
You don't understand my argument. I was responding to a post saying that Cozens has a higher ceiling which he hasn't shown yet based on his WJC performance. Of all the guys you listed only Tavares and Nuge have had a higher peak than Cozens so far (statistically). Cozens is actually pretty much on his way to have a career similar to that of Eberle some years a top 9 player, some years a first line player. But mostly uneven with highs and lows. Schenn has been a more consistent player but even his offensive peak is not much higher than Cozens' 68 point season. So yeah your post supports what I said. Cozens' WJC performance does not indicater a higher ceiling than what he has shown so far.
Disagree, his top ten draft pedigree and his crazy performance at the Juniors do indicate a higher ceiling than a guy who was only expected to be a nice 3C when he was traded, post being drafted in the latter half of the first round. Buffoon was right and your argument was not on very solid ground imo
Seems like everyone on Buffalo needed a change.
When O'Reilly left he had almost 20 point increase and won the Selke and Conn Smythe following year.
When Reinhart left he had 20 point increase in projected scoring and was over PPG first time in his career.
It's a trend many are familiar with, unfortunately.
I mean... Cozens was finishing 1st among all forwards in goals in two WC's in a row and was among the best players period. In fact, he's been among the best players just about everywhere EXCEPT Buffalo... even then he scored 30+ goals and nearly 70 points.
Cozens has been good for us but his 4 game stretch is possibly still average Norris in my opinion. He has a some way to go to hit Norris level for on ice impact and his ceiling may never be as good as Norris'. Time will tell. I'm excited but will reserve gloating and celebrating until he plays a solid full 82 game season.
He’s honestly looked as good/better than Norris ever has in the 4 games
I have no clue where this ceiling stuff with Norris is coming from. His career high is 55 points, and every other season was 30ish points with a prorated 50ish.
He’s a 50ish point, 20 assist guy who misses 15+ games a year that brings his totals down to the 30/40’s
2021-22
The eye test approved of him that year much more than any other. Cozens has already put together a better 4-game sample than Norris has since then though. I want them both to succeed but Cozens just seems so much better already.
Was that the season he set up camp on the PP and one timered like 15 goals from the same spot? I'd say that ceiling might have lowered a bit after the shoulder surgeries and then not seeing those slappers come off his stick the same ever since
I think it’s preventative measure he’s taking not taking the slappers anymore. He had a one timer goal recently against Winnipeg if I’m not mistaken and it looked exactly like his patented PP one-timer from his 35 goal season. It’s obvious he’s dialed it back though. That one timer puts a lot of pressure on the shoulders on impact. The good news is he can score many different ways but it definitely takes away from his goal scoring. I don’t know that he’ll ever score at a 40+ goal pace like he did in that great season he had but he can still score 30ish goals if healthy.
A few days before the trade he was talking on Coming in Hot and saying he had to change the way he was taking faceoffs too after the injury to reduce impact on his shoulders. The slapper is the same I assume. Otherwise he would still be ripping it on the PP. it was his best asset probably. Almost a sure goal every time.
