OT: Other Sports: Broncos, Nuggets, Rockies, etc...Part VI

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Someone need to get fire at this point just to make a point or to start a little something. I guess the best option would be the guy in charge of the offense, if they don’t want to kick Hackett out yet.

So out of the four major Colorado sport teams. The chance of us winning anything again is just the Avs. Nuggets has potential but way too injury prone to put any believes in them. Rockies and Broncos are in the category of laughing stock for a really long time!
 
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Hackett is very much at fault here but Russ is also a huge problem. He doesn't want to play the way he did in Seattle, he despises that style. He doesn't want to run around anymore and be the super mobile QB who had so much success. Instead he wants to be a pocket QB when that is arguably his worst trait.

The Broncos need a veteran head coach who can put Russ in his place and tell him "this is what the offense is whether you like it or not."
He's also not that super mobile guy either. All of those hi-lites of his spin moves were from pre 30's Russ. Not doing that in the past 2 seasons in Seattle.

What former HC is going to be the target? Payton, the issue is the compensation to NO. Aside from him, who are your options?
 

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The Chargers have ran 72 offensive plays tonight to the Broncos 46.

The defense must be exhausted.

Was thinking about this yesterday. When people say this, wouldn't it also mean that the offense is just as tired? I imagine the effort level is the same on both sides of the ball and they both have the ability to sub out...

The Broncos aren't good enough to tie.

Your avatar is what it feels like to watch the Broncos these days.
 
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Was thinking about this yesterday. When people say this, wouldn't it also mean that the offense is just as tired? I imagine the effort level is the same on both sides of the ball and they both have the ability to sub out...



Your avatar is what it feels like to watch the Broncos these days.
Defence is chasing. Especially the Dline. More plays means being less fresh to rush Herbert later in the game.

Plus it takes energy and focus to tackle properly. Offence knows where they are supposed to go. Defence has to read and react. Play your responsibility. Lose focus if you are tired.
 
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Defence is chasing. Especially the Dline. More plays means being less fresh to rush Herbert later in the game.

Plus it takes energy and focus to tackle properly. Offence knows where they are supposed to go. Defence has to read and react. Play your responsibility. Lose focus if you are tired.

That's fair, and I certainly agree to some extent. I just don't know how overblown that is, if at all.
 

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Was thinking about this yesterday. When people say this, wouldn't it also mean that the offense is just as tired? I imagine the effort level is the same on both sides of the ball and they both have the ability to sub out...
As has been mentioned, it's easier to play offense than it is defense because as a defender you're always chasing, always reacting and attempting to make stops.

It's the same in hockey. It's more draining to check, block shots, tie up in battles, etc than it is to make plays with the puck in an attempt to score.
 
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We are so beyond screwed. Yes, Hackett will be fired, but I'm talking about Russ. We were sold a lemon. He can't see the middle of field unless he's outside the pocket. However, he's now at the point of his career where your mobility starts to go and you start to get all sorts of injuries because you're trying to move like you used to. Look at his highlights and how he used to avoid all those blitzers. That's gone now, and unfortunately, that's what allowed him to make all those great plays.

We played this all wrong. Paton is good at drafting, and that should've been our strategy.
 

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We are so beyond screwed. Yes, Hackett will be fired, but I'm talking about Russ. We were sold a lemon. He can't see the middle of field unless he's outside the pocket. However, he's now at the point of his career where your mobility starts to go and you start to get all sorts of injuries because you're trying to move like you used to. Look at his highlights and how he used to avoid all those blitzers. That's gone now, and unfortunately, that's what allowed him to make all those great plays.

We played this all wrong. Paton is good at drafting, and that should've been our strategy.
He never could see the middle of the field. That play to Sutton against Indy at the end of the game is a terrible primary target because it’s asking Russ to stay in the pocket and hope a crease forms where he can get the ball to him.

Everything for Russ is to the outside unless it’s a quick slant. If the play breaks down and there is an opening in the middle will be make the play to the open receiver.

His drop off this year is shocking to me. He was clearly not as mobile over the past 2-3 years as he was in his 20’s. That was a given.

But when Randall Cunningham stopped running he was still 6’4 with a big arm who could hang in the pocket. 5’11 Wilson can’t do that. He still needs to get outside and limit the number big Linemen in his face.

Russ needs to park the ego and get back to what worked for him in Seattle. He won’t play like similar sized Brees from the pocket. Not his game.
 
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Is there a coach out there that would be considered a general consensus pick if the Broncos could have a mulligan? I'm not sure what the NFL coaching landscape is like. Would bringing back a retired head coach like Cowhen or Dungy work? Both are probably too old but just wondering what the fix is for Denver. Something's gotta give.
 

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Is there a coach out there that would be considered a general consensus pick if the Broncos could have a mulligan? I'm not sure what the NFL coaching landscape is like. Would bringing back a retired head coach like Cowhen or Dungy work? Both are probably too old but just wondering what the fix is for Denver. Something's gotta give.
Aside from Sean Payton who would have lots of options but would cost draft picks as he had term left on his deal with NO, I don’t see a veteran HC who can help Russ?

Kubiak? Health issues would keep him at most a a consultant.

Jim Harbaugh?

Veteran HC…. Some wine with success. Arians?
 

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Russ appears to be the complete opposite of former tennis great Andre Agassi. When he came onto the scene he was marketed as a Rebel, with his long hair, neon color attire, black shorts or sometimes acid jean shorts. Had some success, but it was really all a facade. He was really a quiet guy with a thinning hairline, wearing a wig. Had much more success on the court when he rocked the buzz cut and went to the all white attire, losing the rebel look. Seemed more at peace with himself.

Complete opposite of Russ, who seems like a guy who started off as himself but has since bought into the hype from a PR manager or something.

Agassi wore a wig?
 

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If they get goddamn Harbaugh I'm gonna flip my shit.

Not sure who they get, but I hope whatever they do, they keep Ejiro Evero. So far he's the only one on the staff who appears to know what he's doing.
He’s done well with the D.

In terms of options out there I think the move for most clubs with a younger QB will be to have the HC be an offensive one.

How much is having a defensive one helping the likes of Herbert, Fields, Mills, etc?

He’d fit more with an established QB. Like I wouldn’t put him with Kyler in AZ. Car needs a new QB and this should target someone who can help that kid out. Avoid Wash at all costs.

So hard to say how sought after he will be for a HC role. Not sure which club would want to turn to a young DC as their next HC given most of the issues with bad clubs appear to be the QB aside from what’s going on in Detroit.
 

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Russ is Icarus... flew too close to the sun and had his wax wings melted. The question still unanswered is if he will drown.

What we're seeing with Wilson is Lucic-level falling off the cliff.

The Broncos are in some real trouble here.
 
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Someone need to get fire at this point just to make a point or to start a little something. I guess the best option would be the guy in charge of the offense, if they don’t want to kick Hackett out yet.

So out of the four major Colorado sport teams. The chance of us winning anything again is just the Avs. Nuggets has potential but way too injury prone to put any believes in them. Rockies and Broncos are in the category of laughing stock for a really long time!
He'll get some looks but this is yet another example of teams needing to stop with the hiring of coordinators to be HC. Get an HC and get him two good coordinators that the GM has control over. Tell the HC his job is to lead and manage the team, not spend 80% of his attention during a game on what plays he's going to call. The HC can be good at one side of the ball or the other and have a lot of input during the week on the game plan but that's it, let it go then. Bellicheck finally figured this out and he became an HOFer with lots of good coordinators who couldn't cut it as an HC elsewhere, they need to stay coordinators.
 

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He'll get some looks but this is yet another example of teams needing to stop with the hiring of coordinators to be HC. Get an HC and get him two good coordinators that the GM has control over. Tell the HC his job is to lead and manage the team, not spend 80% of his attention during a game on what plays he's going to call. The HC can be good at one side of the ball or the other and have a lot of input during the week on the game plan but that's it, let it go then. Bellicheck finally figured this out and he became an HOFer with lots of good coordinators who couldn't cut it as an HC elsewhere, they need to stay coordinators.

That whole scenario you just described sounds exactly like what we were sold with the on Vance Joseph hire - the “CEO coach”.
 

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What we're seeing with Wilson is Lucic-level falling off the cliff.

The Broncos are in some real trouble here.
The dropoff is drastic even from last season and that was a bad OLine and the RBs were banged up for the first half of the season for Seattle. Mobility wise, about the same from last season if you actually followed the Seahawks. Not elusive anymore. It's his decision making that is scary dropoff. Like he doesn't know where to go after this primary read is covered.

And this thing with his WR's. He has zero chemistry with them. Yet 3 years ago, he worked well with a rookie Metcalf, but that guy is a freak who is bigger, stronger, faster than basically any DB.
 

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It’s supposed to be a great quarter back class this year. Obviously in hindsight rebuilding would have been the right call. It’s going to be painful to watch Seattle get their franchise QB with the Broncos pick
 

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It’s supposed to be a great quarter back class this year. Obviously in hindsight rebuilding would have been the right call. It’s going to be painful to watch Seattle get their franchise QB with the Broncos pick
People said that for 2021 draft.

So far Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones aren’t exactly living up to the hype. Jones was good last season. Struggled early and now Zappe has come in and executed the offence efficiently these past 2 games. And Mills has not done as well this season.

For 2023 class the only QBs I’m high on are Stroud who should be the top pick and Levis of Kentucky. Young, unless someone who follows him closely tells me he’s the next Brees I just see it physically from him that makes me think he’s not another Tua. Not big, not super mobile. 6 feet and around 200 lbs. accurate but that only goes so far.

The rest of the class is raw and aren’t the type to step in and turn a franchise around in 2 years. Hall of BYU, Van Dyke of Miami, Richardson of Florida.
 

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People said that for 2021 draft.

So far Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones aren’t exactly living up to the hype. Jones was good last season. Struggled early and now Zappe has come in and executed the offence efficiently these past 2 games. And Mills has not done as well this season.

For 2023 class the only QBs I’m high on are Stroud who should be the top pick and Levis of Kentucky. Young, unless someone who follows him closely tells me he’s the next Brees I just see it physically from him that makes me think he’s not another Tua. Not big, not super mobile. 6 feet and around 200 lbs. accurate but that only goes so far.

The rest of the class is raw and aren’t the type to step in and turn a franchise around in 2 years. Hall of BYU, Van Dyke of Miami, Richardson of Florida.
Zero chance Young is near 6'... dude is barely 5'10" if that.

I think Van Dyke could surprise a lot of people, but I'd guess he will stay in another year. Richardson has every bit of talent you could possibly want, but super inexperienced... could be like Allen who took a couple seasons to really get going, but has immense upside.
 

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Hooker looks good, but I do wonder how much being in his mid 20s is helping him in college. Dude is the same age as Herbert.
I think it suppresses his upside being 24 in the ncaa. He turns 25 in January. Physically mature by now. Levi’s is 23 and turns 24 in June/July as well.

There are guys who are just simply very raw. So you won’t see the Dak, Russ, step in as a non first rounder and do well simply cause they don’t have the snaps that those 2 got in college.

Have to be extra patient with all of the others since they are less experienced. Looking realistically at year 3 before they actually play well on a more consistent basis. But that defence will have gone 3 more years without any quality qb play. Great defences only last so long like the no fly zone from Manning’s days. Guys come off rookie deals and get paid.
 
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