OT: Other Sports: Broncos, Nuggets, Rockies etc…Part VII

[henchman21]

They gave Paxton the appropriate window: two years.

Two other teams were trying to trade up for him too: the Cowboys and Chefs, considering how 5hings turned out for them that should give you an idea how hard it is to judge QBs.

If they QB they should have drafted put up two first games like this in 2018:

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This board would have acted the same way.

Lynch only played in 5 games total though. Is 5 games enough for Nix? Those 5 games and 2nd season are also a bit of a mirage... he was pretty much shunned after year 1 where he was inactive for the majority of 2017 and only played when injuries mounted (Seimian) and Osweiler was completely incompetent in his return.

Josh Allen was a much different type of project. He was a guy who was a good athlete with an absolute cannon of an arm that you had to get him settled into the pro game and build up his accuracy and reads. People wouldn't have freaked out in those games, especially because he was flashing in that Chargers game. People wouldn't be freaking out about Caleb Williams here because of his skill set. Both of those guys would get well into the 2nd seasons of leash because you know the ceilings are high.

 

[The Abusement Park]

They gave Paxton the appropriate window: two years.

Two other teams were trying to trade up for him too: the Cowboys and Chefs, considering how 5hings turned out for them that should give you an idea how hard it is to judge QBs.

If they QB they should have drafted put up two first games like this in 2018:

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This board would have acted the same way.

So we have up to 3 more games to make up our minds completely about Bo then?

 

[famicommander]

Josh Allen went from junior college to 27 games in the Mountain West (2 years as a starter) straight to the NFL at 22 years old. Nix played 61 games in the SEC and Pac-12 and then came to the NFL at 24. He literally started more college football games than any quarterback in history. Five full seasons as a starting QB for major programs with major exposure. We had an immense amount of data and game film about him, he had an immense amount of time to develop good technique and good habits and mental awareness.

Comparisons without context are meaningless. Everybody knew it would be a process with Josh Allen, and it was a gigantic gamble about whether he could develop the mental and technical side of his game to match his physical talents. Ultimately he figured it out, and good for him, but the challenges in front of Nix are not at all similar and neither are the solutions.

 

[Bonzai12]

Huh?

You should google who has the most college starts ever.

I just read a whole two paragraphs about knowing extensive knowledge about a QB due to playing a ton of college games, giving the QB a chance to correct his weaknesses, and he turns out alright. Is Josh Allen the most accurate QB in the game? Nah he’s not. But he’s overcome a lot with good coaching, major work on his footwork, and time to develop.

Lynch only played in 5 games total though.

Paxton couldn’t put the PlayStation controller down. I don’t know what Nix’s work ethic looks like but Paxton was a joke.

 

[famicommander]

Huh?

You should google who has the most college starts ever.

I just read a whole two paragraphs about knowing extensive knowledge about a QB due to playing a ton of college games, giving the QB a chance to correct his weaknesses, and he turns out alright. Is Josh Allen the most accurate QB in the game? Nah he’s not. But he’s overcome a lot with good coaching, major work on his footwork, and time to develop.

Nix had the most starts ever with 61, which is exactly what I just said. He broke the previous record shared by Kellen Moore and Colt McCoy which was 53 starts. So he had a whole 8 more starts than the previous record holders. Nearly a whole extra season of experience than the previous most experienced college quarterbacks of all time.

And, again, those starts came over a 5 year span in power 5 conferences.

Allen was 2 years younger, only played 27 games in Division I college, and spent his college career in junior college and then the Mountain West. Not the SEC or the Pac 12.

How is this even remotely difficult to comprehend? Nix has a vast amount more experience and much higher level experience than Allen to go along with far less physical talent. Allen had to learn the stuff at the NFL level that Nix learned in his ridiculously long college career. But Nix cannot learn to throw it like Allen.

EDIT:
I really think you may have just honestly misread my previous post and didn't intentionally ignore or misrepresent what I said. Please read it again.

 

[JWK]

It would be such a CU thing if Mata misses this PAT

TRAVIS HUNTER IS MY GOAT

 

[CharlesPuck]

Storming the field after beating a 2-1 Baylor. Love it.

 

[sethro109]

What a crazy finish. Travis Hunter is making a real Heisman case.

 

[Markster]

Tonight's CU game is exhibit #4,285 why college football >> NFL.

 

[5280]

Unreal game! I still think they need to get Shaduer outside the pocket with more designed plays.

 

[ABasin]

Mostly stayed out of this Nix discussion, but making a sweeping determination about his career after only 2 games is a bit premature (if not outright silly), IMO.

That said, he has been bad his first two starts.

 

[sethro109]

Well that drive was awesome.

 

[sethro109]

That one, not so much. Looked like one of the WRs ran the wrong route. Our RBs really need to be better though.

 

[ANewHope]

Missed that one throw to Franklin but crafty move to pick up that 4th down.

Broncos actually look solid. Good playcalling from Payton.

 

[Muffin]

Williams is washed.

 

[sethro109]

Vance's defense always struggles in the second half when teams start making adjustments.

 

[dahrougem2]

Way better performance from Nix today compared to his first couple of weeks even if there are still a lot of things to improve upon.

Efficient today, but a lot of stalled offensive drives and points left on the board settling for FGs.

 

[GeoRox89]

What a pleasant surprise this game has been. Noticeable improvement from Nix, hope that continues

 

[MonsterMack]

Bust Nix was ok today. I might have to un-ignore a couple Nix haters (you know who) to see what they say, but they probably won't comment anyway.

 

[sethro109]

Bust Nix was ok today. I might have to un-ignore a couple Nix haters (you know who) to see what they say, but they probably won't comment anyway.

They'll probably go on a rant that when Nix was in college 30% of his throws killed a puppy or something.

 

[famicommander]

Nix was okay today, much better in the first half especially. Hit his downfield passes early, not so much as the game moved along but he didn't need to because they were up. I don't think it changes anything long term but I do have eyes. Team played great as a whole, especially the defense.

 

[chet1926]

Not really sure what people's expectations are, but it's kind of pathetic to hear people say Nix was "ok." For his 3rd ever start I'd say it was more than "ok." It was very solid, especially on the road against a fairly reasonable team.

Was it perfect from Nix, absolutely not. But showed understanding of the offense, no turnovers on his part, and did what was asked of him. There were 2 throws I hated, one to Franklin where he was simply late to an open guy, one where he got baited and could have been intercepted. But overall, much better, and most importantly improvement. Wins, losses, overall stats from Nix don't really matter a ton this year. What matters is getting better every week. And today he played better.

It's amazing what happens when the team itself plays better. O-line better, still too many snaps where a rusher gets instant pressure on Nix, got get much better in that regard. RBs were ok, Williams obviously can't fumble but Badie and McGlauglin both made some plays. Maybe they should punt Williams to the curb he's not very good. WRs were better, still plenty to work on there. TEs were non existent, that group is terrible.

Defense wins games, they were excellent.

 

[Bonzai12]

Damn Chet - I can’t really say anything ya didn’t. I 100% agree with everything.

There was some weird stat out there a few seasons ago but when the Broncos score more than 18 pts they’re almost impossible to beat.

The RB and TE group really worry me right now……The backup RBs had some great breakaway runs but the Broncos are terrible at producing yards consistently between the tackles. They need a grinder RB bad.

My dire hope is that Nix works out this year…..we are able to draft Bolles replacement (otherwise he’s gonna cost us a boatload in FA)……sign a decent RB…..get some TE help from wherever…..the defense looks fine.

EDIT:
I really think you may have just honestly misread my previous post and didn't intentionally ignore or misrepresent what I said. Please read it again.

Just saw where you sprinkled Nix in there - my bad

 

[HartKinnon]

Pretty good game from the old ass weak arm Nix.

 

[sethro109]

Crazy how much better Nix looked when he actually had some time. Now if we can just get him a slot guy and a decent TE.

I really do think, with how poorly our run game is, our games will always come down to pass protection. A guy like TJ Watt can basically beat us by himself.