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[kingsholygrail]

But frankly, the Dodgers historically have the worst win% in Baseball for teams with 5 or more WS appearances. They're something like .375 or whatever. They usually don't win the WS when they go.

And as much as people are shitting on Kershaw right now... Jansen hasn't exactly been lighting the world on fire either as the alleged greatest closer in baseball. He's blown one save and gave up the walk off tonight.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Roberts has made lot of wrong decisions this series . He shouldn't have played Morrow , whoever told Kike to bunt when Turner is on 3rd base is an idiot as well . That play drove me nuts

Not Roberts decision, but Taylor not trying to score on two opportunities was another one.

The more opportune time to go to Maeda would have been before both runners were put on with Altuve coming up as well. He pulled Hill and Wood too early IMO and left Kershaw way too long in that 5th.

 

[Winger23]

I honestly want to know why the baseballs were changed ONLY for the world series. It's obvious one team had a pitching advantage and that's now out the window.

Yes, the pitchers missed their spots and sucked, but it's a clear advantage to Houston with the better lineup.

 

[Bandit]

Score 12 runs in a WS game and lose. Unreal.

 

[Fishhead]

I don't buy Houston having any type of advantage in this series. The real advantage is:

Dodgers - $265M payroll

Houston - $150M payroll.

That's a ridiculous difference

 

[The Night King]

I don't buy Houston having any type of advantage in this series. The real advantage is:

Dodgers - $265M payroll

Houston - $150M payroll.

That's a ridiculous difference

That's not a baseball advantage.

 

[Fishhead]

That's not a baseball advantage.

Being able to throw money at prime free agents and prevent them from signing with your competition is an advantage in any sport.

 

[Fishhead]

That's not a baseball advantage.

Also:

Teams with larger payrolls have won 10 of the last 12 world series, and the last 4 straight.


Seems to be pretty significant.

 

[The Night King]

Yeah, but that's not what was being discussed. Winger23 was talking about how juiced balls favor the Astros who have a deeper lineup. We're talking the current series with current rosters. Total salary of the teams is a different subject altogether.

 

[Fishhead]

I was simply stating that any advantage that Houston may have would be offset and outweighed by the Dodgers payroll advantage. Payroll is an absolute advantage that can be tracked and the trends are unmistakable. It is absolutely a baseball advantage, which is what I was addressing.

As far as the balls, Bbth teams are playing with the same baseballs, so pitchers who rely on sliders are going to suffer. The player who is affected most is Giles, who always throws that thing. It's the reason he got pummeled in the 9th the other night, the Dodgers were batting .800 against his fastball and was forced to throw it.

It just sounds like excuse making. The Dodgers should be winning regardless.

 

[kings11]

The Dodgers might have a huge payroll but keep in mind a very large chunk of that salary either isn't on the team(IR)or in the league...
Crawford, Guerrero, Olivera, Kemp, Kazmir, Gonzalez, Arruebarrena is close to, if not more than $100 million in salary..
Then Dodgers are actually homegrown and those that aren't were either waiver wire pick ups (Justin Turner), Trades (Taylor, Watson, Grandal, Wood..etc) and a few sprinkled in FA's

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Score 12 runs in a WS game and lose. Unreal.

American League baseball at its "finest."

 

[Fishhead]

The Dodgers might have a huge payroll but keep in mind a very large chunk of that salary either isn't on the team(IR)or in the league...
Crawford, Guerrero, Olivera, Kemp, Kazmir, Gonzalez, Arruebarrena is close to, if not more than $100 million in salary..
Then Dodgers are actually homegrown and those that aren't were either waiver wire pick ups (Justin Turner), Trades (Taylor, Watson, Grandal, Wood..etc) and a few sprinkled in FA's

According to SportTrac, The Dodgers have $34M buried or on the DL, and $48M retained. Their $184M active 25 is still tops in the majors by a large margin, and they still have a $50M advantage over the Astros.

Any way you slice it, if you spend that much you should be beating your opponent. They will be one of the few teams recently who lost to a team with a lower payroll if they don't find a way to pull it out.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

There's reason they have Verlander in LA twice. They need him in the non-gimmick park.

 

[Fishhead]

There's reason they have Verlander in LA twice. They need him in the non-gimmick park.

Agreed, and it turns out it will give them the best shot at the series. The Dodgers beat him once, they can beat him again. They have to pull a page from the Kings playoff book and be careful not to let doubt seep in and remain confident - especially if they get shut down at the start of the game .

 

[kings11]

According to SportTrac, The Dodgers have $34M buried or on the DL, and $48M retained. Their $184M active 25 is still tops in the majors by a large margin, and they still have a $50M advantage over the Astros.

Any way you slice it, if you spend that much you should be beating your opponent. They will be one of the few teams recently who lost to a team with a lower payroll if they don't find a way to pull it out.

Payroll isn't in indicative to winning and if this is how you correlate money spent to wins then you must not watch much MLB.. Giants, Cards, Cubs, Royals all had low payrolls and beat teams with much higher payrolls meaning more money spent doesn't equal that quantity of an advantage...
Whose the last big FA the dodgers signed other than Zack Grienke over 5 years ago????

 

[Fishhead]

Payroll isn't in indicative to winning and if this is how you correlate money spent to wins then you must not watch much MLB.. Giants, Cards, Cubs, Royals all had low payrolls and beat teams with much higher payrolls meaning more money spent doesn't equal that quantity of an advantage...
Whose the last big FA the dodgers signed other than Zack Grienke over 5 years ago????

Payroll is a great predictor of who will win the World Series. Look at the last 15 champions and who they played. Then, compare their payrolls. The higher payroll nearly always comes out on top. There are always going to be exceptions. How is that not an advantage?

Teams win series with lower payrolls, but it rarely happens in the one that really matters. This fact is independent how that payroll is acquired, though trades or whatever. Everyone knows that baseball is far from an even playing field.

 

[Bandit]

There's reason they have Verlander in LA twice. They need him in the non-gimmick park.

Not up on this, why's their ballpark considered a gimmick?

 

[kings11]

Payroll is a great predictor of who will win the World Series. Look at the last 15 champions and who they played. Then, compare their payrolls. The higher payroll nearly always comes out on top. There are always going to be exceptions. How is that not an advantage?

Teams win series with lower payrolls, but it rarely happens in the one that really matters. This fact is independent how that payroll is acquired, though trades or whatever. Everyone knows that baseball is far from an even playing field.

Payroll is a great predictor of who will win the World Series. Look at the last 15 champions and who they played. Then, compare their payrolls. The higher payroll nearly always comes out on top. There are always going to be exceptions. How is that not an advantage?

Teams win series with lower payrolls, but it rarely happens in the one that really matters. This fact is independent how that payroll is acquired, though trades or whatever. Everyone knows that baseball is far from an even playing field.

Thats really misleading when you actually look at the individual player salaries and realize just one player can create a $25-$35 million gap. MLB just like the NHL is impacted by young, mostly cheap players.The biggest difference is that MLB players usually have to earn their huge salaries through performance rather than potential as we've seen in the NHL lately.
If you go by payroll then the Dodgers should be on a 4 year roll but the team was flawed... luck/perfect timing/great drafting..etc. all play a bigger roll than overall payroll. You mention the payroll difference between the Dodgers and the Astros when you consider DL and retained salaries the difference is Kershaw's salary, if you want to take it a step forward and lets say these two teams meet up next season in the WS they might actually be on par in salary because the Astros have guys in arb3/arb3 who are going to get big money.. there is a lot more parity in MLB than people want to admit , teams choose whether they want to spend or not.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Honeycutt won't be returning for 2018.

 

[Winger23]

As far as the balls, Bbth teams are playing with the same baseballs, so pitchers who rely on sliders are going to suffer. The player who is affected most is Giles, who always throws that thing. It's the reason he got pummeled in the 9th the other night, the Dodgers were batting .800 against his fastball and was forced to throw it.

It just sounds like excuse making. The Dodgers should be winning regardless.

I already said the pitching was crap and it's not an excuse. You are delusional if you think this only affects sliders. If you think it affects Giles the most, well he's sucked in the previous series too where the normal balls were used.

Yes both team use the same ball, but one team led the majors in pitching, the other in hitting.

You can't honestly sit here and say Houston does not benefit more having had shitty pitching all year and win games by out hitting their opponent.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Not up on this, why's their ballpark considered a gimmick?

http://www.ocregister.com/2017/10/2...-look-at-minute-maid-park-and-dodger-stadium/

Used to be a lot more to it, like a flagpole and giant hill in center field, but look at the HR spots and foul spots vs. Dodger stadium. Many of the HR balls that the Astros hit this year (not sure about the playoffs, they've had some absolute jacks) were fieldable in LA.

 

[Bandit]

http://www.ocregister.com/2017/10/2...-look-at-minute-maid-park-and-dodger-stadium/

Used to be a lot more to it, like a flagpole and giant hill in center field, but look at the HR spots and foul spots vs. Dodger stadium. Many of the HR balls that the Astros hit this year (not sure about the playoffs, they've had some absolute jacks) were fieldable in LA.

Wow. Left & Right are ridiculously shallow.

 

[Winger23]

Wow. Left & Right are ridiculously shallow.

Living out in Lancaster I watched most of the current astros play in single A ball at jethawk stadium. Altuve, Correa, Springer, bregman etc. They have definitely drafted hitters over pitchers, much like Colorado has based on the home stadiums they play in. The astros still have more guys that can flat out hit, but zero pitching. I'm honestly shocked that they haven't traded for better pitching other than Verlander. They are in great shape for years to come if they will ever open up to trading for more pitching.

 

[Fishhead]

I already said the pitching was crap and it's not an excuse. You are delusional if you think this only affects sliders. If you think it affects Giles the most, well he's sucked in the previous series too where the normal balls were used.

Yes both team use the same ball, but one team led the majors in pitching, the other in hitting.

You can't honestly sit here and say Houston does not benefit more having had ****ty pitching all year and win games by out hitting their opponent.

The Dodgers hit .298 in the division series.
They hit .258 in the LCS

They are hitting .213 in the World Series.

If the ball truly favored hitters, they should be hitting better, not worse, so there goes that argument. They aren't getting it done, plain and simple.

Houston is hitting 29 points below their regular season average. The Dodgers, 36 points. Doesn't seem like an advantage either way to me, both teams are affected equally.