Other Chicago & General Sports Thread LXII: The Bulls are technically an NBA team

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Switch Rose and Lavine and Bulls may have won last night. At least Rose finds his team mates better Lavine who just hogs the ball. I mentioned in the Basketball board in the regular season thread that Markkanen was hardly touching the ball in the first quarter. Lavine and co. were all just trying to score on their own and failed miserably at it. The previous two games that Lavine was out, Bulls played more as team and Markkanen was scoring over 30.
 

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I wish Rose wouldn't of had his brother and BJ around him. I think they truly impacted the whole situation.
I say this without any knowledge ... but I don't think DRose is smart. Don't get me wrong, he's a basketball savant ... but not so much in the real world. For crying out loud, he "traveled" to Michigan to "retake" his ACTs. He "doubled" his score LOL.

Furthermore, he says the weirdest things when interviewed. He "left" the Knicks without notice to be with his mom. What was DRose thinking with that civil lawsuit?

I think there was good reason why Reggie and BJ "protected" DRose. That said, Reggie and BJ weren't his best managers in the NBA. Perhaps Reggie was good for Derrick in Englewood. However, he should have let him go when he got to the NBA ... to a better management team. I think the Bulls did a good job protecting and promoting DRose early in his career.

You can't control injuries ... but DRose finally got the hint to develop an outside shot when his career was almost over. He didn't get the best advice from his management team, including sitting out after his 2nd knee injury. The first time was understandable.

John Calipari said something interesting about DDose before his knee issues. He said DRose was the biggest hypochondriac at Memphis. He'd be yelling and screaming during practice how hurt he is ... the next day he'd be fine and dominate.
 

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Switch Rose and Lavine and Bulls may have won last night. At least Rose finds his team mates better Lavine who just hogs the ball. I mentioned in the Basketball board in the regular season thread that Markkanen was hardly touching the ball in the first quarter. Lavine and co. were all just trying to score on their own and failed miserably at it. The previous two games that Lavine was out, Bulls played more as team and Markkanen was scoring over 30.
The Bulls played Orlando and Cleveland before Minnesota.

Lavine has his issues, but he wasn't the problem last night. In fact, Lavine was efficient last night. We had three major issues:

1. Our guards (including Dunn) couldn't guard DRose.
2. The Bulls got destroyed inside (rebounds, scoring, etc.)
3. No one could hit a shot except Lavine and Markkanen. Holiday was awful.

Lavine didn't even start the game. If I'm not mistaken, Boylen staggered Markkanen and Lavine's playing time until late in the game. In fact, Lavine helped close the Wolves lead to 6 points in the 2Q. Once he sat, the Wolves immediately went in on a 12-0 run and the game was over.

Markkanen had 14 points in the 1H. So did Lavine. I actually thought Lavine was under control for once.
 

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Jon Greenberg had a year end piece talking about the Chicago radio ratings. Apparently the Score is crushing ESPN, which is not surprising to me I guess. That said, I cannot believe people listen to the new Score afternoon show. They are god awful and haven't gotten any better.
 

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Jon Greenberg had a year end piece talking about the Chicago radio ratings. Apparently the Score is crushing ESPN, which is not surprising to me I guess. That said, I cannot believe people listen to the new Score afternoon show. They are god awful and haven't gotten any better.


I could be wrong, but hasn't this always been the case?
 

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I could be wrong, but hasn't this always been the case?
It always changes how people "measure" ratings nowadays. AM Radio is really about podcasts / downloads. Do you really listen to AM radio anymore (even in the car) unless it's live time sports events or news?
 

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Jon Greenberg had a year end piece talking about the Chicago radio ratings. Apparently the Score is crushing ESPN, which is not surprising to me I guess. That said, I cannot believe people listen to the new Score afternoon show. They are god awful and haven't gotten any better.

WSCR and WMVP slide in key audience segment, but ESPN 1000's steeper fall helps The Score

The Score and ESPN 1000 each suffered November-to-November declines in the key demographic, but WSCR came out ahead between the sports-talk stations because its drop wasn’t as steep.

A year ago, in the demo from 6 a.m. to midnight, WSCR was No. 2 in the Chicago radio market and WMVP tied for fourth. This time The Score was tied for sixth. ESPN 1000 was 16th.

Mike Mulligan’s show with Tribune contributing columnist David Haugh fell to third in the key demographic from second last year, when Mulligan was partnered with Brian Hanley. The show’s share of the advertiser-coveted listeners slipped 6.7 percent.

But Mike Golic’s national program, with Trey Wingo replacing Mike Greenberg, slipped from seventh to 10th, down 28.9 percent in the demo.

Where David Kaplan’s 9 a.m.-noon ESPN 1000 show was beating The Score in its time slot in the demographic a year ago, its November numbers this time were off by roughly two-thirds.

WMVP’s Carmen DeFalco and John Jurkovic, who in last November’s book edged WSCR, saw their noon-2 p.m. numbers in the money demo almost cut in half.

Tom Waddle and Marc Silverman last November enjoyed a sizable lead over The Score in its 2-6 p.m. time slot within the male 25-54 demo. The most recent November book had “Waddle & Silvy” close but trailing , its share slipping 43.4 percent.

The declines for WSCR in its 9 a.m.-1 p.m. and 1-6 p.m. slots were relatively muted.
The Score midday team of Dan Bernstein and Connor McKnight overtook ESPN 1000 by declining only 17.4 percent in the demographic from 2017’s pairing of Matt Spiegel and Danny Parkins.
Similarly, Parkins and Dan McNeil — by dropping just 8.9 percent compared with last year’s 1-6 p.m. tandem of Bernstein and Jason Goff — surpassed WMVP in the afternoons.
 

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WSCR and WMVP slide in key audience segment, but ESPN 1000's steeper fall helps The Score

The Score and ESPN 1000 each suffered November-to-November declines in the key demographic, but WSCR came out ahead between the sports-talk stations because its drop wasn’t as steep.

A year ago, in the demo from 6 a.m. to midnight, WSCR was No. 2 in the Chicago radio market and WMVP tied for fourth. This time The Score was tied for sixth. ESPN 1000 was 16th.

Mike Mulligan’s show with Tribune contributing columnist David Haugh fell to third in the key demographic from second last year, when Mulligan was partnered with Brian Hanley. The show’s share of the advertiser-coveted listeners slipped 6.7 percent.

But Mike Golic’s national program, with Trey Wingo replacing Mike Greenberg, slipped from seventh to 10th, down 28.9 percent in the demo.

Where David Kaplan’s 9 a.m.-noon ESPN 1000 show was beating The Score in its time slot in the demographic a year ago, its November numbers this time were off by roughly two-thirds.

WMVP’s Carmen DeFalco and John Jurkovic, who in last November’s book edged WSCR, saw their noon-2 p.m. numbers in the money demo almost cut in half.

Tom Waddle and Marc Silverman last November enjoyed a sizable lead over The Score in its 2-6 p.m. time slot within the male 25-54 demo. The most recent November book had “Waddle & Silvy” close but trailing , its share slipping 43.4 percent.

The declines for WSCR in its 9 a.m.-1 p.m. and 1-6 p.m. slots were relatively muted.
The Score midday team of Dan Bernstein and Connor McKnight overtook ESPN 1000 by declining only 17.4 percent in the demographic from 2017’s pairing of Matt Spiegel and Danny Parkins.
Similarly, Parkins and Dan McNeil — by dropping just 8.9 percent compared with last year’s 1-6 p.m. tandem of Bernstein and Jason Goff — surpassed WMVP in the afternoons.
Yeah this goes against exactly what I read in the Greenberg peice. Intersting.
 

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It always changes how people "measure" ratings nowadays. AM Radio is really about podcasts / downloads. Do you really listen to AM radio anymore (even in the car) unless it's live time sports events or news?
I do still listen to the Score sometimes. Granted, since the new afternoon show, it's been even less than before. I like listening to talk about the Chicago teams and will generally choose that over listening to a podcast that discusses sports nationally.
 

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I do still listen to the Score sometimes. Granted, since the new afternoon show, it's been even less than before. I like listening to talk about the Chicago teams and will generally choose that over listening to a podcast that discusses sports nationally.
That's the niche Bezos and a lot of the hedge funds saw in a growing national media / content some years ago. People still want local news. I just don't know if AM radio, print media, etc. is the right platform to deliver the content.

Minus real time news / events, don't you want to listen to the Score or ESPN on podcasts ... so you can skip through the BS when necessary?

I know people who set their podcasts at 1.5x speed so they can rip through it.

Consumers don't have a lot of patience nowadays. It's what's hurting baseball. For me ... there's nothing like drinking beers on a sunny day watching a game at the ball park. For the 30 and younger, it doesn't interest them.
 

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That's the niche Bezos and a lot of the hedge funds saw in a growing national media / content some years ago. People still want local news. I just don't know if AM radio, print media, etc. is the right platform to deliver the content.

Minus real time news / events, don't you want to listen to the Score or ESPN on podcasts ... so you can skip through the BS when necessary?

I know people who set their podcasts at 1.5x speed so they can rip through it.

Consumers don't have a lot of patience nowadays. It's what's hurting baseball. For me ... there's nothing like drinking beers on a sunny day watching a game at the ball park. For the 30 and younger, it doesn't interest them.
Usually what I do is listen to the radio on my drive to and from work, and when commercials come on I flip on a podcast.
 

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So it begins for the Bulls tonight ...

Let's see if Lavine, Dunn, Markkanen, and Carter can play together.

I'm convinced Lauri will be a star. Carter has great upside once he becomes stronger and develops a consistent jumper.

Lavine can score and Dunn can defend. Let's see if they can run a team together. Dunn needs to sets up Lauri and Lavine for easy shots. He also needs to get the ball inside to Carter in good position.

We need to find out if Dunn is the real deal. Otherwise, the Bulls might want to think about drafting Darius Garland (he's hurt though) if Zion or RJ are not available.
 

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Dan Clark???


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NYY will get Manny. To me this is inevitable, much like JD Martinez to Boston. Manny does not want Philly, and visited CWS as a courtesy. It's clear he wants the Yankees.
 

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So what do the Sox do next if Harper is out of the equation?
make a trade to Sea for Dee Gordon. the trade centers on the Sox - sp - rhp - Dane Dunning. Make a trade with Arz for sp - Zack Greinke if there is no restriction with trade centering around Carson Fulmer and sp - Lucas Giolito and minor pieces.
 

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Harper I don't think they were ever much in the running for. Obviously it's a massive blow if the Sox lose out on Machado. The Sox were pointing to this winter all along and if they come up with a big goose egg, then I dont know what to say. As of right now they could still be a 100 loss team this coming season.
 

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Harper I don't think they were ever much in the running for. Obviously it's a massive blow if the Sox lose out on Machado. The Sox were pointing to this winter all along and if they come up with a big goose egg, then I dont know what to say. As of right now they could still be a 100 loss team this coming season.
since we the fans really do not know what is on the table with ref for continue improvement, i will do a wait and see. however i would really like to mention that i like these trade improvements and the knowledge that the team can start looking at a better season.....

but then again what do i know ..... i am only a fan.
 
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We absolutely have to wait and see. I'll say this. I've 100% supported the rebuild to this point. If they miss out on the big guns, and think half ass acquisitions like Yonder Alonso and Edwin Encarnación are sufficient for this winter, they're going to start losing me and my support.
 
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We absolutely have to wait and see. I'll say this. I've 100% supported the rebuild to this point. If they miss out on the big guns, and think half ass acquisitions like Yonder Alonso and Edwin Encarnación are sufficient for this winter, they're going to start losing me and my support.

again it will drive the most ardent fans crazy with what i will call it a half finished attempt ...... they the Sox will claim that this was a beginning and with the finishing touches coming in the future. that kind of negative PR will really be negative, the fans are smarter than that and know it is pure BS.
 

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And you cant spin the Alonso trade as a positive for Sox if we don't land Machado

We bailed out the Indians to continue to contend and rule AL Central

Took on the entire salary of Alonso allowing them to move off edge and keep Bauer and Kluber
 
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