OT: Toronto GM needed for Mock Trade Deadline

[JayfromNB1219]

I’m not going to hammer you on the value here but we would have 6 goalies now?
Not including prospects

I think he’s getting ready to move Freddy and go 1,2 Campbell and wedge wood

 

[JayfromNB1219]

I’m not going to hammer you on the value here but we would have 6 goalies now?
Not including prospects

Cap space and I’ll guarantee some clubs probably still value him surprisingly highly (fan bases) or clear a little more and go after a cap dump from a non contender

Just a guess

 

[Budz]

It’s just for fun and all - but it’s pretty bad.

 

[cyris]

I think he’s getting ready to move Freddy and go 1,2 Campbell and wedge wood

That’s why I didn’t go off on the value. I don’t see Wedgewood as that much of an upgrade on what we have now or the kid he got from the brutal Nylander trade. But it’s a 4th round pick and given the health of our first 2 goalies more goaltending depth isn’t that bad

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Dallas trades Anton Khudobin + Jamie Oleksiak to Toronto

Dallas receives
2022 2nd and 2021/5th Freddy Andersen

Now I’m going to start a fire and drink some beers so I’m two sheets to the wind reading all the critics

 

[cyris]

Dallas trades Anton Khudobin + Jamie Oleksiak to Toronto

Dallas receives
2022 2nd and 2021/5th Freddy Andersen

Now I’m going to start a fire and drink some beers so I’m two sheets to the wind reading all the critics

Well I don’t like the trade but I don’t think it is horrible like the others. This is more a matter of preference. Khudobin hasn’t been very good this season and he is 34 and signed for 2 more years. Andersen hasn’t been very good either but at least his contract is up at the end of the season.
With the goalies that will be available this summer I think you could find someone who is better, younger and on a better deal. But like I said it’s all preference.

 

[Ciao]

This is entertaining, I'll give you that.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Leafs defense. So far Added

+ Ristolainen RHD 6’4” 220 $5,400,000 50% retained $2,700,000 for 2 years

+ Oleksiak LHD 6’7” 255 lbs Ufa $2,137,500 ( defensive defenseman) good mobility for the big man. Toronto kid.

+ Matt Irwin LHD 6’1” 207 (depth defense)

Rielly
Muzzy
Brodie
Bogosian
Holl

A nice 8 Deep group. Just heavy and hard like Preachers Pr!ck ha

Sandin can develop with the Marlies the full season or until playoffs minimum Not Finished yet!

 

[Wafflewhipper]

We don’t have a shallow goaltending depth going anymore.

Best goalie prospect in the system now would be Kaapo Kahkonen.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Suck it up Nylander is gone for Marcus Foligno 3 more years a $3,100,000
Tavares line just got better adding Foligno. Hard heavy line to play. Personal opinion obviously.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Freddy Andersen no more. Anton Khudobin and Campbell are the Tandem going in to the playoffs.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Still have cap space and not done

 

[cyris]

Suck it up Nylander is gone for Marcus Foligno 3 more years a $3,100,000
Tavares line just got better adding Foligno. Hard heavy line to play. Personal opinion obviously.

The Tavares line got better by trading a guy coming off a 35 goal season (40 goal pace) for a guy with a career high of 13 goals?
Brilliant work....

 

[cyris]

Leafs defense. So far Added

+ Ristolainen RHD 6’4” 220 $5,400,000 50% retained $2,700,000 for 2 years

+ Oleksiak LHD 6’7” 255 lbs Ufa $2,137,500 ( defensive defenseman) good mobility for the big man. Toronto kid.

+ Matt Irwin LHD 6’1” 207 (depth defense)

Rielly
Muzzy
Brodie
Bogosian
Holl

A nice 8 Deep group. Just heavy and hard like Preachers Pr!ck ha

Sandin can develop with the Marlies the full season or until playoffs minimum

You traded 2 firsts, a second, Nylander, Dermott, Mikheyev, and more to make the Leafs worse both offensively and defensively. But they would be more physical.
Congrats your team would get swept in the first round.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Trades to announce so far.

Trade #1

Toronto acquires from Minny:

Winger-Marcus Foligno- 3 years remaining at $3,100,000

Goalie- Kaapo Kahkonen - expansion draft exempt, waiver exempt,One year remaining @$725,000
Kaapo Kahkonen 2020-21 Game Log | Hockey-Reference.com

Minny acquires

Willy Nylander

Trade #2

Toronto acquires from Buffalo:

Rasmus Ristolainen RHD 50% salary retained
Matt Irwin RHD
2021-3rd round pick
2021-7th round pick

Buffalo acquires from Toronto:

Travis Dermott
Ilya Mikheyev
2021 -1st round pick
2023-1st round pick

Leafs acquire Scott Wedgewood from New Jersey for a 4th

Dallas trades Anton Khudobin + Jamie Oleksiak to Toronto

Dallas receives
2022 2nd and 2021/5th Freddy Andersen

Now I’m going to start a fire and drink some beers so I’m two sheets to the wind reading all the critics

Ok, so if I'm following this correctly, our roster is now:

Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Foligno
Robertson-Engvall-Simmonds
Thornton-Kerfoot-Spezza

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Oleksiak-Ristolainen
(RHD Bogosian, RHD Irwin)

Khudobin
Campbell

Kahkonen
Wedgewood

I'm not seeing how we're better set to compete this season or beyond. You upgraded our goaltending depth, so good on you there, but man I don't see how our defence is any better now than it was before. Ristolainen is awful defensively and I'm not sure Oleksiak could carry him. You're not breaking up one of the top four pairings to babysit Ristolainen so why bother, it's not like we need the offense he brings. So he's big who cares? Irwin I suppose is ok depth, but I'll bet we'd find better, and it wouldn't cost us two firsts and having to take on a defensive liability to get it.

Oleksiak would be a decent add, but tagging Khudobin along with him makes me hesitant. I know Khudobin is coming off a nice playoff run but he's 34 and has another 2 years after this one on his contract. He's more proven than Andersen in the playoffs I suppose but how much of that is a one off and how much gas is left in the tank? Honestly though this is your best trade made through all this, so kudos. It addresses two needs.

Wedgewood for a fourth is whatever, arguably could get him for cheaper.

Then the big one, Nylander for Foligno and Kahkonen. While Kahkonen is a nice piece and is a potential starter, I'm not sure trading Nylander away for him (or really any goaltender) is good asset management. This doesn't even get into the difference in players Foligno and Nylander are. Like sure Nylander can be a bit soft on the play but he just brings so much more to the table than what Foligno would here.

We're just starting to get our second line going and scoring and you'd break that up for a bit of grit and defensive awareness? That puts a lot of pressure on our first line (who teams can now focus on) and on Robertson who's a rookie and would need to figure out how to contribute from the bottom six. The second line is "heavier" in your words but you've crippled it offensively and subtracted a lot of puck skill which goes greatly underappreciated. That line will have trouble scoring, and so will the other lines that isn't Matthews, Marner, and Hyman.

I don't see it man. The goaltending is better yeah, but on the back-end we've turned what has been a solid six man unit and added a Jake Gardiner-esque player who will likely cost us goals and have us facepalming constantly with his defensive gaffes, at great expense to the future no less. Two firsts should buy you a much better defenseman than Ristolainen who's up in a year anyway. Up front you've weakened our team offensively and have taken away from our overall depth. We've essentially got the same problem as we currently have only this time there's even less likelihood of us getting a goal from a line other than the first one. Tavares would be on an island and if you moved Marner to help him you've taken away from Matthews and now he's all alone, and it's a vicious cycle until we're making threads and seeing headlines like "Leafs need Top 6 Winger."

The latter half of your management is better than your first half, but overall outside of goaltending the Leafs are a worse team. I get that you're really into toughness and "not getting pushed around" but we've already had that with this franchise 20~ years ago and those teams capped out at Conference Finals appearances, and the game has only gotten more skill and speed reliant since then. Oh and we've mortgaged a big chunk of our future for an old goalie, a UFA at seasons end, and a player who could walk after next season as a UFA.

Still have cap space and not done

You actually don't. Not even $1 million.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Ok, so if I'm following this correctly, our roster is now:

Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Foligno
Robertson-Engvall-Simmonds
Thornton-Kerfoot-Spezza

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Oleksiak-Ristolainen
(RHD Bogosian, RHD Irwin)

Khudobin
Campbell

Kahkonen
Wedgewood

I'm not seeing how we're better set to compete this season or beyond. You upgraded our goaltending depth, so good on you there, but man I don't see how our defence is any better now than it was before. Ristolainen is awful defensively and I'm not sure Oleksiak could carry him. You're not breaking up one of the top four pairings to babysit Ristolainen so why bother, it's not like we need the offense he brings. So he's big who cares? Irwin I suppose is ok depth, but I'll bet we'd find better, and it wouldn't cost us two firsts and having to take on a defensive liability to get it.

Oleksiak would be a decent add, but tagging Khudobin along with him makes me hesitant. I know Khudobin is coming off a nice playoff run but he's 34 and has another 2 years after this one on his contract. He's more proven than Andersen in the playoffs I suppose but how much of that is a one off and how much gas is left in the tank? Honestly though this is your best trade made through all this, so kudos. It addresses two needs.

Wedgewood for a fourth is whatever, arguably could get him for cheaper.

Then the big one, Nylander for Foligno and Kahkonen. While Kahkonen is a nice piece and is a potential starter, I'm not sure trading Nylander away for him (or really any goaltender) is good asset management. This doesn't even get into the difference in players Foligno and Nylander are. Like sure Nylander can be a bit soft on the play but he just brings so much more to the table than what Foligno would here.

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We're just starting to get our second line going and scoring and you'd break that up for a bit of grit and defensive awareness? That puts a lot of pressure on our first line (who teams can now focus on) and on Robertson who's a rookie and would need to figure out how to contribute from the bottom six. The second line is "heavier" in your words you've crippled it offensively and subtracted a lot of puck skill which goes greatly underappreciated. That line will have trouble scoring, and so will the other lines that isn't Matthews, Marner, and Hyman.

I don't see it man. The goaltending is better yeah, but on the back-end we've turned what has been a solid six man unit and added a Jake Gardiner-esque player who will likely cost us goals and have us facepalming constantly with his defensive gaffes, at great expense to the future no less. Two firsts should buy you a much better defenseman than Ristolainen who's up in a year anyway. Up front you've weakened our team offensively and have taken away from our overall depth. We've essentially got the same problem as we currently have only this time there's even less likelihood of us getting a goal from a line other than the first one. Tavares would be on an island and if you moved Marner to help him you've taken away from Matthews and now he's all alone, and it's a vicious cycle until we're making threads and seeing headlines like "Leafs need Top 6 Winger."

The latter half of your management is better than your first half, but overall outside of goaltending the Leafs are a worse team. I get that you're really into toughness and "not getting pushed around" but we've already had that with this franchise, and those teams capped out at Conference Finals appearances, and the game has only gotten more skill and speed reliant now. Oh and we've mortgaged a big chunk of our future for an old goalie, a UFA at seasons end, and a UFA who could walk the season after next.



You actually don't. Not even $1 million.

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You can put up what you want. Shouldn’t fire all yer bullets before she’s over. Oh you ate so right I’m sick of the little cowards turning tail. I want brutalize the opponents so they aren’t that fresh and intimidated next time. All the penalties the refs call managing games trend to the zero difference. Watching nothing happen when Tavares get run is not happening with a lineup you see. I tried to get Reaves out of Vegas too ha

 

[Wafflewhipper]

You traded 2 firsts, a second, Nylander, Dermott, Mikheyev, and more to make the Leafs worse both offensively and defensively. But they would be more physical.
Congrats your team would get swept in the first round.

Well better the fifth time making them pay a price to win.The other team failed four times. I’ll try one and if i lose i still have three tries

William Nylander is so overrated. His character is weak.

 

[cyris]

One of my favourite parts about this is the Dman he traded 2 first, Dermott and Soup for now isn’t even one of our best 4 Dmen. So he would either have to expose him in the expansion draft or expose and lose another better Dman. Thus increasing the already ridiculous price he paid for him.

I’m sure he will solve this problem by trading Riley for some forward who has terrible defensive metrics that he thinks is good defensively because he is physical.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

One of my favourite parts about this is the Dman he traded 2 first, Dermott and Soup for now isn’t even one of our best 4 Dmen. So he would either have to expose him in the expansion draft or expose and lose another better Dman. Thus increasing the already ridiculous price he paid for him.

I’m sure he will solve this problem by trading Riley for some forward who has terrible defensive metrics that he thinks is good defensively because he is physical.

Who says he is you? What makes you think you know anything. You have knowledge pass or something we don’t. Thing is cat you’ll never see this really happen and can’t say one way or the other. Kind of a nut job.
This guy plays 22 minutes a night against the best in Buffalo for your information. First pair. You didn’t even know what Foligno it was i mock traded for yesterday ya tool and you were yapping

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Boohoo

 

[cyris]

Who says he is you? What makes you think you know anything. You have knowledge pass or something we don’t. Thing is cat you’ll never see this really happen and can’t say one way or the other. Kind of a nut job.
This guy plays 22 minutes a night against the best in Buffalo for your information.

Playing 22 minutes a night on a brutal team doesn’t make him good defensively.
The thing is you don’t have to see a hypothetical thing happen to be able to form an option on it. Ristolainen performs terribly on nearly every defensive metric.
With both of your big acquisitions your confusing physical play with defensive play.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Who says he is you? What makes you think you know anything. You have knowledge pass or something we don’t. Thing is cat you’ll never see this really happen and can’t say one way or the other. Kind of a nut job.
This guy plays 22 minutes a night against the best in Buffalo for your information. First pair. You didn’t even know what Foligno it was i mock traded for yesterday ya tool and you were yapping

And he’s real bad at it.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Ok, so if I'm following this correctly, our roster is now:

Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Foligno
Robertson-Engvall-Simmonds
Thornton-Kerfoot-Spezza

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Oleksiak-Ristolainen
(RHD Bogosian, RHD Irwin)

Khudobin
Campbell

Kahkonen
Wedgewood

I'm not seeing how we're better set to compete this season or beyond. You upgraded our goaltending depth, so good on you there, but man I don't see how our defence is any better now than it was before. Ristolainen is awful defensively and I'm not sure Oleksiak could carry him. You're not breaking up one of the top four pairings to babysit Ristolainen so why bother, it's not like we need the offense he brings. So he's big who cares? Irwin I suppose is ok depth, but I'll bet we'd find better, and it wouldn't cost us two firsts and having to take on a defensive liability to get it.

Oleksiak would be a decent add, but tagging Khudobin along with him makes me hesitant. I know Khudobin is coming off a nice playoff run but he's 34 and has another 2 years after this one on his contract. He's more proven than Andersen in the playoffs I suppose but how much of that is a one off and how much gas is left in the tank? Honestly though this is your best trade made through all this, so kudos. It addresses two needs.

Wedgewood for a fourth is whatever, arguably could get him for cheaper.

Then the big one, Nylander for Foligno and Kahkonen. While Kahkonen is a nice piece and is a potential starter, I'm not sure trading Nylander away for him (or really any goaltender) is good asset management. This doesn't even get into the difference in players Foligno and Nylander are. Like sure Nylander can be a bit soft on the play but he just brings so much more to the table than what Foligno would here.

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We're just starting to get our second line going and scoring and you'd break that up for a bit of grit and defensive awareness? That puts a lot of pressure on our first line (who teams can now focus on) and on Robertson who's a rookie and would need to figure out how to contribute from the bottom six. The second line is "heavier" in your words but you've crippled it offensively and subtracted a lot of puck skill which goes greatly underappreciated. That line will have trouble scoring, and so will the other lines that isn't Matthews, Marner, and Hyman.

I don't see it man. The goaltending is better yeah, but on the back-end we've turned what has been a solid six man unit and added a Jake Gardiner-esque player who will likely cost us goals and have us facepalming constantly with his defensive gaffes, at great expense to the future no less. Two firsts should buy you a much better defenseman than Ristolainen who's up in a year anyway. Up front you've weakened our team offensively and have taken away from our overall depth. We've essentially got the same problem as we currently have only this time there's even less likelihood of us getting a goal from a line other than the first one. Tavares would be on an island and if you moved Marner to help him you've taken away from Matthews and now he's all alone, and it's a vicious cycle until we're making threads and seeing headlines like "Leafs need Top 6 Winger."

The latter half of your management is better than your first half, but overall outside of goaltending the Leafs are a worse team. I get that you're really into toughness and "not getting pushed around" but we've already had that with this franchise 20~ years ago and those teams capped out at Conference Finals appearances, and the game has only gotten more skill and speed reliant since then. Oh and we've mortgaged a big chunk of our future for an old goalie, a UFA at seasons end, and a player who could walk after next season as a UFA.



You actually don't. Not even $1 million.

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So much wrong with this its pathetic. To sneakily put Ristolainen on the 3rd pair is so greasy. Then you say i have no cap space and then say i do. Suck it up Nylander is gone and the unmanageable cap is gone with him and the softness is gone with him and i still gained cap space this off season and this season. I’m not done either.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

And he’s real bad at it.

Numbers hockey. Says top pairing your little graphic there Son. You listed him 3rd pair for us what was that for effect?
You have Marcus Foligno 1 year to Ufa in your other chart. Thats wrong. He’s signed for three more after this one. Post correct Sh!t instead of your B.s.
Do ya think anyone charted off of Buffalo would look good you cherry pickin Tool

 

[cyris]

So much wrong with this its pathetic. To sneakily put Ristolainen on the 3rd pair is so greasy. Then you say i have no cap space and then say i do. Suck it up Nylander is gone and the unmanageable cap is gone with him and the softness is gone with him and i still gained cap space this off season and this season. I’m not done either.

“Suck it up Nylander is gone”
Says the guy who just posted Boohoo....