You realize their batteries are rated for 300,000-500,000 miles and have an 8 year warranty?
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Tesla will be my next vehicle not sure whether it will be this year or next. I am suppose to test drive one this week but I think I will push it out to next week now since I am scrambling a bit. When you say last car you will ever buy what do you mean?
DeepFrickinValue
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I hope to never have to buy another car for 20 years. This thing should go for 500,000 km or so and 20+ years. 6 -7 month wait for my order will definitely give the 20 years a nice head start.
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Yup. And already people having issues out of warranty and being asked 20,000+ to replace batteries. That's why I'm still a bit on the fence with ev's.
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I know very little about these cars, but are they projected to actually last that long (20 years and 500,000 km's)? Is the payback there (upfront cost minus projected savings)?
It's range for me that is the issue. If you're not going very far and EV fits your bill, more power to you. As it stands, I barely use my car in summer and pretty much only for getting groceries (where an EV would excel) or for going hiking/lakes/golf where range becomes questionable. I got my newest car (Maxima) in May of 2019 and it has just over 12,000 km on it. A good chunk of those kms occur in blocks bigger than EVs can accomodate. My gas costs are negligible.
I still don't see many EVs in downtown Winnipeg in winter.
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Tesla has pumped out over a million of the model 3 now. Seems they are getting better and better. I live in Vancouver area and $1.70 gas id the norm in the summer ($1.85 premium gas). It starts adding up.
i suspect electric cars are having a tough go in Winnipeg because of the extreme cold and impact on batteries.
One thing I find funny about EV adoption is that Winnipeg and Manitoba are set up already if you think about it. We are already used to plugging in most parking spots have plugs. Mind you not high rate charging but enough to bring it up during work.
I love anything with a motor but am not an early adopter so I'm just watching for now.
I love anything with a motor but am not an early adopter so I'm just watching for now.
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It's going to cost money to upgrade those plugs. That won't happen for free. Even if the government "subsidizes" it, you're paying for it. The government has exactly zero money, they only have tax dollars. But the government won't subsidize those lots and the owners will start charging more for parking because now it's not just parking and trickle charge to keep your block heater warm, it's serious drain energy.
Most of those plugs currently cycle anyways (varies, some are 15 minutes of every hour, some alternate time blocks) so is that enough on a -30 day?
When we do achieve widespread adoption of EV cars what happens to the infrastructure money that goes into the roads? That comes from fuel taxes. If we achieve that dream of not purchasing fuel any longer, who's going to pay for the upkeep of the roads? EVs are not lighter than gas powered cars, nor are they heavier. So the wear on the roads is going to be arguably the same. Do we really accept that the government is just going to absorb the costs with lost tax revenue? Not a chance. So new taxes are going to come into play to offset those lost fuel taxes. Where are they going to be placed? To be fair, on users? What's the only avenue to return that lost tax revenue? Taxes on electricity. Oh sure, not all the electricity you use in your home goes to charging your EV but don't kid yourself, there isn't a flavor of government out there that's going to think twice about generating extra tax revenue on a shaky premise.
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I bought a new car last year, but I did seriously look at going electric. But when I looked at things like:
- no provincial incentive to purchase. Federally there is , but nothing in Manitoba
- not enough public charging stations
- Using Level 1 charging at home just isn't practical for every day use of an EV, so you might need to put in a Level 2 charging station at your home. Had an certified electrician look at my home, and it was $3,500 to wire in Level 2 plus $900 for the charger.
- Places where I like to travel to are just outside the range of most EVs I was looking at. And on those long trips to save time, you want to look at Level 3 ( DC fast ) charging, which has shown that "frequent use" can reduce the life of your batteries.
- Range reduction living in a cold place like Winnipeg.
I liked the idea of an EV, but for me when I run the numbers of what it will cost me out of pocket for a car and for maintenance / fuel / charging etc. Over 10 years of ownership I was still way ahead driving a gas vehicle. And I can't put a price on being able to go where ever I want without having to plan out where I get my charge.
JMO, but I see EV cars as a stepping stone to where we need to be, and not a long term solution. The solution is something like hydrogen fuel cells which has shown to have many advantages ( range, time to refuel ) over electric. The question is where do you get the hydrogen? It's all about infrastructure. Come up with a renewable way to create the hydrogen ( like wind farms or solar power to make the hydrogen ) and then we are talking.
- no provincial incentive to purchase. Federally there is , but nothing in Manitoba
- not enough public charging stations
- Using Level 1 charging at home just isn't practical for every day use of an EV, so you might need to put in a Level 2 charging station at your home. Had an certified electrician look at my home, and it was $3,500 to wire in Level 2 plus $900 for the charger.
- Places where I like to travel to are just outside the range of most EVs I was looking at. And on those long trips to save time, you want to look at Level 3 ( DC fast ) charging, which has shown that "frequent use" can reduce the life of your batteries.
- Range reduction living in a cold place like Winnipeg.
I liked the idea of an EV, but for me when I run the numbers of what it will cost me out of pocket for a car and for maintenance / fuel / charging etc. Over 10 years of ownership I was still way ahead driving a gas vehicle. And I can't put a price on being able to go where ever I want without having to plan out where I get my charge.
JMO, but I see EV cars as a stepping stone to where we need to be, and not a long term solution. The solution is something like hydrogen fuel cells which has shown to have many advantages ( range, time to refuel ) over electric. The question is where do you get the hydrogen? It's all about infrastructure. Come up with a renewable way to create the hydrogen ( like wind farms or solar power to make the hydrogen ) and then we are talking.
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As a guy with cancer currently, I found this hilarious. Norm was wonderful at poking fun at anyone including himself. (May be offensive to some listeners)
Hey hope you are doing ok and you kick the shit out of it. Oh and f*** cancer.
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Oh Alberta. Don't ever change
It’ll never change, that province caters to those Angry Albertans who don’t give a f*** about public health measures and brag about their oil.
If the good and smart ones are still there, they would leave because of incompetence.
As a guy with cancer, I found this hilarious. Norm was wonderful at poking fun at anyone including himself.
Doing good. Thanks!
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Interesting conversation on EV's, taxes, battery life etc. I am pretty plugged in on emerging disruptive technologies and I talk to my business partners on things that are happening. They usually role their eyes at some of my bold predictions but last week I got a text from one of them who was snapping a photo of the driverless ride share car that showed up to pick him up in Vegas. He said it was very cool "first".
I'm really interested in the off road potential of EV.
EV bicycle growth is huge and starting to blur the line between mtn bikes and dirt bikes.
I'd love to fly through the Whiteshell on a near silent motorcycle.
EV bicycle growth is huge and starting to blur the line between mtn bikes and dirt bikes.
I'd love to fly through the Whiteshell on a near silent motorcycle.
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And I'm sure you and the bear you rapidly come up on and startle will have a good laugh about the whole incident.
It happens with animals on sleds you catch them before they realize with the speeds.
You're right though on Atvs bears are usually on the run or way in the distance. So meeting a sow with cubs might be unpleasant lol. My wife loved to lead on atvs until the day I said did you see the bear you blew by back there.
You're right though on Atvs bears are usually on the run or way in the distance. So meeting a sow with cubs might be unpleasant lol. My wife loved to lead on atvs until the day I said did you see the bear you blew by back there.
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Tesla spends around $1.5 billion on r and d mainly for batteries. Huge inroads being made.
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BC is a different level. $3000 grant from government plus $5000 federal.
Plus chargers are absolutely everywhere. I live in a suburb and have around 15 charging stations within a few minutes of our place.
Gas also runs around .20 to .30 a litre more than Manitoba which was the deal maker for me. Even mechanic shop rates are well over $100/hr so repairs add up fast.
Weather is a biggie as well. The cold is murder to EV cars.
it was truly a dollars and cents decision for me while pleasing the wifey as well.
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I have no idea what I’d do if a driverless car showed up to get me.
