Oshawa Generals 2024-25 Season Thread, Part 1

[Fischhaber]

Who’s buying the remaining top OAs? How high could prices get in a bidding war between Brampton and Kingston for Allard, Misajelic, and Swick?

We saw Peer go for 2,3,3,4,11 last year. That could be a solid comp for Misaljevic.

We saw Morrison go for 2,2,3,3,4,4 in the year before that. It's probably the best recent comp for Allard. Different styles of players, but Allard's WJHC selection is an indication of his more well rounded game.

Of course, early season trades require a premium like we saw with Wakely, so we'll have to see. Sometimes teams wait too long and get very little like we saw with the Generals great trade for Punnett last year.

 

[Jackintheshwa]

Unless Gens wake up in the third, Pete’s will get their 1st. win of the year.

 

[frontsfan67]

Gonna be a hell of a third

 

[frontsfan67]

Gonna be a hell of a third

Wow

 

[OMG67]

JEZUS. This is like kicking granny in the face now!

 

[Generalsupdates]

Impressive 3rd period and OT to pick up another big 2 points for 5 in a row and 8 of their last 9 now. With their 2 best players back in the lineup, that's no longer a bad Petes team and they looked to have the game in hand before the Gens dominated them 16-5 in shots in the 3rd and then outchanced them like 5-0 in OT. That must be as good a PP that went 0/6 has looked, as 5 of the 6 PPs the Gens had 2/3 great chances. Barlow was beside himself a couple times with open nets on on timers and Bowen either robbed him or he missed the net. That PP is fun to watch the way they can swing the puck around.

The Ritchie assist on the Buckley goal was disgusting.

Also hilarious how bad the Gens were in the shootout last year and now suddenly they're 4/4 shooting and Gravelle has stopped 4/5 for a 2-0 record in their 2 shootouts. He was very solid tonight and looked like the 2nd round goalie they expected him to be when they drafted him there

 

[Leviathan899]

Anyone who would still rather have Delisle and Bedkowski over Barlow on this roster is insane to me.

Losing Bedkowski sucks but you gotta give up young talent to get established talent, art of the deal.

Delisle was in the role that Griffin is in now after the deal and I would take Griffin over Delisle most days.

Barlow had a slow start but that is more than fine. If he stays at a point per game going forward, that's more than either player would've produced year long, probably combined.

Despite no points tonight in Ptbo, I think I lost count of how many grade A scoring chances he had tonight, and just couldn’t finish. He’s getting a lot of opportunities and they’re going to start going in in bunches imo. Can tell he’s forcing it a bit right now but doing some good things away from the puck and still generating lots of chances. Great play by Ritchie on the tying goal, what a play to beat the D and then send it back to Buckley. Ptbo is not as bad as their record indicates, they play hard and Bowen has been a thorn in oshawa’s side so far this season, keeping games close when they probably shouldn’t be.

 

[Leviathan899]

Exactly nobody’s going to know for about 2-3 years.

If Oshawa wins the championship gotta say a championship surely wins the trade. If they don’t win and choke in the second round for instance then they gave up 2 future great OHL players and a bunch of picks for nothing.

Naming a winner of the trade in November makes absolutely 0 sense

Also about Owen Sounds draft picks what if 2 of those guys they get from draft picks in the 2nd/3rd end up being NHL guys? Lots of things to consider.

You don’t really evaluate trades like that imo. End of the day it was a good hockey trade for both teams, and whether oshawa wins it all or not doesn’t negate the importance of making the trade either way. Barlow is the best player of the 3, and it’s not particularly close. His role
On the team plus his leadership qualities are enough to make the trade worth it. Every team can sit there and say we shouldn’t have made so and so trade because we didn’t win, but you got a full year of Barlow and a successful 68 game is not nothing imo. Plus Oshawa has a solid enough core for next year to remain competitive while being able to move some big pieces to ensure they can go for it again in 2-3 seasons. Bedkowski is a solid player but he’d be no more than 3rd pair for oshawa this season. Was it pointless for north bay last year to trade Kostuch and a bunch of picks for Vilmanis, despite losing in the conference finals? Not in my eyes. Same with the Soo going out and getting Hayes and Frasca. I’d rather have a gm and team who goes for it and is aggressive than someone who’s too conservative and afraid of losing a trade, and end up being mediocre year in year out.

 

[Leviathan899]

Maybe someone can back me up on this to save me the time from scrolling back to the comment regarding Brady Smith and them making a commitment to keeping him? Anyone?

It will really come down to the level of player that the Generals are targeting. As of right now, the Generals have two distant 2nds and two distant 3rds plus a lot of 4ths. Plus they have Smith. I don’t think they can afford to move Griffin but there is a possibility depending on the package where they could move him I guess.

Here is where the Barlow trade value comes into play significantly. If the Barlow trade value is accurate and on point for market value, then the assets Oshawa has to trade are relatively meaningless. To get one more comparable player to Barlow, it would literally need to include Brady Smith plus the two 2nds and one 3rd (comparable to the Taylor plus picks for Owen Beck last year). So, IMO, Oshawa cannot fill three holes and get another impact player back IF IF IF the true market value for Barlow was accurate and not an overpay. If the Generals are able to get Konnor Smith, Andonvovski and Cooper Foster or some sort of similar group of players then the prices will have to be relatively cheaper at the deadline than the comparable for Barlow early. That has and will continue to be my point.

Effectively speaking, if the Barlow deal was a good deal and fair market value, how on Earth can the Generals fans think for a second that they can get more than one more impactful player? They may be able to get that one impactful player but the remainder of the players will be depth players at best. The only way they can get multiple impact players is if the market folds in and the players are available cheap which by definition makes the Barlow trade an overpay.

They don’t need to go and get another high end player, they’re already loaded with high end talent. What they need is some depth pieces to fill out the top 9 and the 4-6 D spots. Maybe a 2nd line C which would allow Sinivuori to go back to his natural place on the wing, although he’s been great playing up the middle and is a key player already. A Cooper Foster/Charlie Paquette/Alex Pharand/Chase Coughlan/Joey Willis level player would be ideal imo. Marrelli, Danford, Sandhu is a great top 3 I think, and Svozil/D’amato are good 5-6 guys, but D’amato might be upgraded on. I do expect them to acquire a D at some point that pushes Svozil to the bottom pair, where he’ll have success. Bedkowski would be struggling to play top 4 minutes here I think, it’s nice to have LH-RH on the top 2 pairs.

 

[Leviathan899]

There's also others out there that could help fill depth that we aren't thinking of. No suspected Sandhu last year and he is now playing regularly playing in the 1st line D every night. Time will tell. There is a lot out there defensively that is better than Rodeiguez as a regular starter as well.

If you actually went through all the teams D last year near the deadline, it became apparent Sandhu was one of the only ones who fit the B profile. Left shot and an 05, there was nobody but him who made sense. I remember talking with gensupdates ahout a potential Sandhu deal a week or so before it happened.

 

[hockeyisbest]

They don’t need to go and get another high end player, they’re already loaded with high end talent. What they need is some depth pieces to fill out the top 9 and the 4-6 D spots. Maybe a 2nd line C which would allow Sinivuori to go back to his natural place on the wing, although he’s been great playing up the middle and is a key player already. A Cooper Foster/Charlie Paquette/Alex Pharand/Chase Coughlan/Joey Willis level player would be ideal imo. Marrelli, Danford, Sandhu is a great top 3 I think, and Svozil/D’amato are good 5-6 guys, but D’amato might be upgraded on. I do expect them to acquire a D at some point that pushes Svozil to the bottom pair, where he’ll have success. Bedkowski would be struggling to play top 4 minutes here I think, it’s nice to have LH-RH on the top 2 pairs.

Barlow just isn’t producing, but the win last night is a win. But that was a tough win against the last place team.
I disagree with Bedkowski evaluation, you don’t get a B rating from the scouts for nothing, now I sound like the generalsupdate Guy, quoting statistics, you have an owner that’s just so hell-bent on winning the memorial cup. He’s trying to stack the team with nothing but snipers and it isn’t quite working out, the team has plenty of great players that can put the puck in the net, they just need to pass more.

Defence is lacking this season, but Marelli is shining beautifully. Svozil is soft and D’Amato is probably not playing with his heart in the game, sensing being traded.

I’d say there’s a little bit of friction amongst the players, the top guys are not particularly keen on Barlow.

 

[ScoutLife4]

Barlow must have missed the net at least 10x on power plays last night.
That easily could have been a 7-3 game.
Some of his shots were 4-5 feet off the net.
Once he dials that one timer in a bit he is going to be putting up major goals again.

 

[Nerf27]

Barlow just isn’t producing, but the win last night is a win. But that was a tough win against the last place team.
I disagree with Bedkowski evaluation, you don’t get a B rating from the scouts for nothing, now I sound like the generalsupdate Guy, quoting statistics, you have an owner that’s just so hell-bent on winning the memorial cup. He’s trying to stack the team with nothing but snipers and it isn’t quite working out, the team has plenty of great players that can put the puck in the net, they just need to pass more.

Defence is lacking this season, but Marelli is shining beautifully. Svozil is soft and D’Amato is probably not playing with his heart in the game, sensing being traded.

I’d say there’s a little bit of friction amongst the players, the top guys are not particularly keen on Barlow.

So you are in the room? Quit trying to start some nonsense rumour. The team is on a 5 game winning streak and have bolted from the bottom. They have a top 6 that some teams would kill for. If you expect them to beat Peterborough by a touchdown each time they play then you’re watching the wrong sport. The Pete’s are a very very young team but they play hard. The Gens had opportunities all night but either missed or Bowen made a great stop. That happens in hockey. How about cudos for coming back down 2 in the third and not folding? So let me guess you’re only happy if they blow every team out and never lose. I agree that they need to shore up some D mistakes and better the PK. We are what 15 16 games in. What do you expect from D’Mato? I’m curious. Sky is not falling because they went to a shoot out and won. Good teams find ways to win. Personally I like an owner and GM that is hell bent on winning lol. What a novel concept? Wonder if the Hunters are hell bent on winning. PS the owner does not make the trades. They have one of the best GMs in the league doing that.

 

[hockeyisbest]

So you are in the room? Quit trying to start some nonsense rumour. The team is on a 5 game winning streak and have bolted from the bottom. They have a top 6 that some teams would kill for. If you expect them to beat Peterborough by a touchdown each time they play then you’re watching the wrong sport. The Pete’s are a very very young team but they play hard. The Gens had opportunities all night but either missed or Bowen made a great stop. That happens in hockey. How about cudos for coming back down 2 in the third and not folding? So let me guess you’re only happy if they blow every team out and never lose. I agree that they need to shore up some D mistakes and better the PK. We are what 15 16 games in. What do you expect from D’Mato? I’m curious. Sky is not falling because they went to a shoot out and won. Good teams find ways to win. Personally I like an owner and GM that is hell bent on winning lol. What a novel concept? Wonder if the Hunters are hell bent on winning. PS the owner does not make the trades. They have one of the best GMs in the league doing that.

If you think Tullio doesn’t tell Hunt what to do, you are lost.

Superstars tend not to be team players and hockey is a team sport.

 

[Nerf27]

If you think Tullio doesn’t tell Hunt what to do, you are lost.

Superstars tend not to be team players and hockey is a team sport.

Ok so you’re spewing BS. Let’s hear your facts that “Barlow” is not a team player.
Let’s hear your facts “Ritchie” is not a team player. Shall we go on? Wayne Gretzky was a super star but ya. Not a team player.
You are lost man and trying to start a rumour which you should be ashamed of.
Guess what? all owners should want to win. What’s the point if they don’t. You are so lost.