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Ontario Reign 20-21 Part III

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Kaliyev exceeded my expectations I had of him for this year. Leading the team in scoring with Byfield, Turcotte and 2nd year Kupari on the team was pretty impressive. Scoring in his only NHL game was the cherry on the cake. Thomas is a swiss army knife, he had a good few games in Germany as well so it carried over to the AHL. Turcotte, Byfield were ok, they need more maturing and strength. I wish Madden wasn't hurt those 2 months, it will set him back a bit. He should return stronger in his 2nd year. Overall good progress for the forwards, the D and goaltending that is another story.
 
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kingsboy11 said:
Its annoying how they lost last night, but looking at the season as a whole, I think a lot of progress was made given where they were at the start of the season. I think of the prospects I'm most impressed with the growth was Akil, I'm not suprised that Kaliyev and Byfield did as well as they did, but Akil showed how versatile he was and got better as the year went along. I think another year in the AHL with maybe a couple call ups will be good for him. Also curious to see if Parik or Ingham can take the reigns over from Villalta because he didn't take the step that I thought he would this year.
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Agreed on Thomas. I think he and Faber had the most surprising seasons of any prospects in the organization.
 
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LT Dan said:
For those of us who have never seen Moverare play, is he a stay at home? mobile? hybrid? Can he crochet?
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Below average skater who gets by on hockey sense. Had exceptionally poor skating skills after being drafted and playing in NA for a year. After returning to Sweden, dropped weight and improved skating to the point where he is simply "below average" and not "exceptionally poor". Great hockey sense who was pegged as a stay at home guy but showed some flashes of offense in his most recent AHL campaign.
 
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driller1 said:
Below average skater who gets by on hockey sense. Had exceptionally poor skating skills after being drafted and playing in NA for a year. After returning to Sweden, dropped weight and improved skating to the point where he is simply "below average" and not "exceptionally poor". Great hockey sense who was pegged as a stay at home guy but showed some flashes of offense in his most recent AHL campaign.
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I recall watching him when he played in the OHL for Mississauga. Yes, his skating looked like it could use improvement. I thought he was pretty sound defensively. His smarts made up for his lack of mobility.

Actually thought he showed better his rookie year in the OHL as opposed to his second season. Small sample size on my end, saw 2 games live in his rookie year and one in his second year. A few others on the television.

Good to see it seems he's progressed.
 
King'sPawn said:
Just found this article. I change my mind and wish they didn't have this in the first place. Sorry for not listening better, @Herby

PHPA Executive Director on AHL’s Pacific Division Playoffs: “It’s a crock of s—.”
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Yep. I mean, selfishly we all want to see our prospects play more but it is totally a worthless "title" that these guys aren't getting paid for yet I'm watching Madden get obliterated in to the boards and Imama doling out a match penalty sucker punch.

I'm all for physical hockey but a big part of that is that these are big boys getting paid big money and they know the risk. This "tournament" isn't even like pre-season hockey where you are trying to make the team: it's the actual team playing for a fictional division title. The real title winner is whoever finished in first place at the end of the season!
 
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BigKing said:
Yep. I mean, selfishly we all want to see our prospects play more but it is totally a worthless "title" that these guys aren't getting paid for yet I'm watching Madden get obliterated in to the boards and Imama doling out a match penalty sucker punch.

I'm all for physical hockey but a big part of that is that these are big boys getting paid big money and they know the risk. This "tournament" isn't even like pre-season hockey where you are trying to make the team: it's the actual team playing for a fictional division title. The real title winner is whoever finished in first place at the end of the season!
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I think I argued about this with you, too. Sorry to include you. You were right.
 
King'sPawn said:
I think I argued about this with you, too. Sorry to include you. You were right.
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No worries. I wasn't piling on you and didn't need you to say I was right but I'll accept this rare occurrence of it being said.

I only said the players don't want to do it and it was based on the number of no votes in that poll and the fact that they were getting screwed on the money side of it.

That said, I wanted to watch more Reign hockey and would still be rooting for them to win this stupid tournament if they didn't lose the first game. But that's just me being selfish.
 
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BigKing said:
No worries. I wasn't piling on you and didn't need you to say I was right but I'll accept this rare occurrence of it being said.

I only said the players don't want to do it and it was based on the number of no votes in that poll and the fact that they were getting screwed on the money side of it.

That said, I wanted to watch more Reign hockey and would still be rooting for them to win this stupid tournament if they didn't lose the first game. But that's just me being selfish.
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FWIW I didn't interpret it that way. I'm just a big believer in giving credit where it's due.

But yes, like you, I wanted to watch more for selfish reasons (and because every bit of extra experience helps). But I wouldn't want it done if:
- players weren't adequately paid
- players were having their careers threatened
- they wanted to opt out due to COVID safety

Apparently there was an agreement where salaries included "extra games", but this all feels very shady.
 
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King'sPawn said:
FWIW I didn't interpret it that way. I'm just a big believer in giving credit where it's due.

But yes, like you, I wanted to watch more for selfish reasons (and because every bit of extra experience helps). But I wouldn't want it done if:
- players weren't adequately paid
- players were having their careers threatened
- they wanted to opt out due to COVID safety

Apparently there was an agreement where salaries included "extra games", but this all feels very shady.
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It's definitely shady. I don't even know how this is a money maker for the league without fans in attendance...one game AHL TV purchases?
 
King'sPawn said:
Just found this article. I change my mind and wish they didn't have this in the first place. Sorry for not listening better, @Herby

PHPA Executive Director on AHL’s Pacific Division Playoffs: “It’s a crock of s—.”
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I didn't even actually place to much emphasis on the financial aspect of it, but yeah this article is really eye-opening about how little regard they showed to the financial well being of the players.

I did know about the vote, and that was another reason I was just over this whole thing, if 95% of the players voted no how can anyone take it serious when it's obvious they aren't going to be all-in?

The injury risk for an event with no prestige thing was my biggest gripe, this tournament just meant nothing and was just stupid to risk injury and shorten what is already a short offseason. It was about on par with whatever hell that NCAA basketball tournament that is one step below the NIT is. I am a pretty big college sports fan and I don't even know the name, I bet many don't even know what I am talking about. Crap the NIT itself has basically zero prestige, and yes there is one even below it. Some people brought up things like pre-season, international games or even practice and camp risking injury. Atleast with pre-season games and camps for prospects there is competing against NHL'ers, learning a system and trying to impress to make the team that season. The World Championships provide a level of prestige in representing your country at the Intl stage. Those things all make the injury risk more worth it, playing exhibitions that serve as nothing more than for something like diehard nerds like us to talk about on the messageboard isn't. And yeah, look at what Imama did, how do we feel if some other teams Imama did that to Byfield, Kaliyev, Turcotte etc or something like the Tavares play happens in a totally meaningless game no one wants to be in.

I got grilled for it, but I didn't want them to win and I am happy they lost. The extra 2-3 weeks and escaping injury to any key players is going to be better than winning some garbage tournament that no one wanted to play in. These guys will be back before we know it for rookie camp and then NHL camp and for some of them likely the NHL roster. Let them rest up and clear their heads, they are human beings after all, I think many people forget that (I am guilty of it sometimes myself).
 
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