Ongoing Powerplay Discussion

[piqued]

Progress last night and not just because they scored a couple. They actually tried different concepts and shifted the center of gravity lower, it wasn't just the Pavelski powerplay.

 

[eartotheground]

Progress last night and not just because they scored a couple. They actually tried different concepts and shifted the center of gravity lower, it wasn't just the Pavelski powerplay.

There was actual movement, with and without the puck

 

[piqued]

I want to highlight a problem I see that's also causing a lot of the frustration with Robertson.

This is about zone entries and how other teams have pre-scouted the Stars. Bear with my crude drawings plz

So a lot of the time this is Stankoven, or Duchene, or Johnston as the puck carrier. Which is fine for the most part. But then they usually opt to drop to Robertson on the wall who has just entered the zone. Wouldn't normally be a problem but other teams know that this is the Stars' vulnerability.

Typically he gets double-teamed with extreme PK aggressiveness and is either slow to move the puck or is just looking for Miro trying to dance along the line with limited space. He can't or won't move his feet which eliminates the possibility that he might spin back down the boards and punish that aggressiveness by making a play down low.

I'm not sure what the solution is other than hiding him initially on the weak side that the puck carrier isn't going to and only bringing him into the play once possession is established. But there needs to be an adjustment.

 

[piqued]

17 minutes of powerplay and all they had to show for it was a shortie against

 

[Troy McClure]

17 minutes of powerplay and all they had to show for it was a shortie against

It will get fixed next training camp when they are allowed to change things about the PP. Real shame the CBA prohibits changing your PP in season.

 

[piqued]

The funny thing is injury/availability/sickness actually eventually forced them into what I think are better personnel

Bourque and Nils should be regular parts of the PP in some capacity.... that's why you acquired the players in the first place (and then steadfastly refused to use their strengths)

 

[Troy McClure]

The funny thing is injury/availability/sickness actually eventually forced them into what I think are better personnel

Bourque and Nils should be regular parts of the PP in some capacity.... that's why you acquired the players in the first place (and then steadfastly refused to use their strengths)

But you know next game they're going right back to the same five playing the first 1:20 of each PP.

Benn, Robertson, and Miro need to be demoted from the PP. They're giving the team nothing.

 

[Azzuri]

Madness that Duchene isn't on the top PP unit at this point.

 

[LT]

Madness that Duchene isn't on the top PP unit at this point.

He's the only guy I've seen show some real offensive authority on the powerplay this season.

 

[Smelling Salt]

Yes, remove Miro and Robo at minimum. Insert Harley and Duchene. Remove Benn and put Wyatt on there and keep him there.

And send Spott packing in the shittiest cab possible.

 

[Satan]

in the victory green era (12 seasons, we're old now) the 2024-25 powerplay ranks..


11 of 12 in GF/60
7 of 12 in SF/60
1 of 12 in CF/60
4 of 12 in FF/60
3 of 12 in xGF/60
11 of 12 in Shooting Percentage

 

[Troy McClure]

in the victory green era (12 seasons, we're old now) the 2024-25 powerplay ranks..


11 of 12 in GF/60
7 of 12 in SF/60
1 of 12 in CF/60
4 of 12 in FF/60
3 of 12 in xGF/60
11 of 12 in Shooting Percentage

Ah, I see what you’re saying. This is an unusually bad slump, which means they are due, so don’t change anything.

 

[Satan]

Ah, I see what you’re saying. This is an unusually bad slump, which means they are due, so don’t change anything.

yes, continue to save goals for playoffs and consider changing the powerplay up next training camp- everything is going according to plan

 

[redbeardtx]

 

[piqued]

Part of the systemic problem is I think internally they have so little confidence in their ability to break into the zone with possession that they consider the opening faceoff taken by Benn to be the most important act of the entire PP. So all of the decisions flow backwards from that starting assumption that Benn must take the faceoff. So you end up with a player who wasn't even good at the powerplay at his absolute prime on your first unit, sometimes for 90 seconds.

 

[Zapp]

in the victory green era (12 seasons, we're old now) the 2024-25 powerplay ranks..


11 of 12 in GF/60
7 of 12 in SF/60
1 of 12 in CF/60
4 of 12 in FF/60
3 of 12 in xGF/60
11 of 12 in Shooting Percentage

best led zepp song by far

 

[piqued]

Surprised David's article wasn't posted yet

Lots of great information and charts but one of the biggest conclusions here is noting that some of the top powerplays in the league are adaptable. The Stars are not. They run their heads into the wall over and over with the 1-3-1 umbrella without ever morphing into different looks that could confuse or cause hesitation for the PKers.

There are three prongs of futility here:

1) Personnel selection
2) Formation/system
3) Player execution

 

[Zapp]

Surprised David's article wasn't posted yet

Lots of great information and charts but one of the biggest conclusions here is noting that some of the top powerplays in the league are adaptable. The Stars are not. They run their heads into the wall over and over with the 1-3-1 umbrella without ever morphing into different looks that could confuse or cause hesitation for the PKers.

There are three prongs of futility here:

1) Personnel selection
2) Formation/system
3) Player execution

well 1-3-1 is the only option for this team. you need a pretty solid RHD to run the spread and they don't have the wheels to run an overload. Hence why you've seen them only run 1-3-1 since Klingberg left. You cant just swap Miro over there either, it puts him at a disadvantage keeping pucks inside the zone off the boards. He has to catch it backhand and pull it over to his strong side in which that time a PK'er would already be all over him.

 

[piqued]

With tonight's performance we fell to 29th in Net % barely fending off fellow Stanley Cup Contender Anaheim

 

[Troy McClure]

With tonight's performance we fell to 29th in Net % barely fending off fellow Stanley Cup Contender Anaheim

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If you want some fun, go to the NHL stats page, pull up the PP report, and sort by PP ice time per game. Then look over at the PP points/60 column to see how Miro is top 20 in ice time and something like 300+ in actual production. The other guys up high in PP ice time (even the defensemen) are generating several times over the amount of PP offense.

 

[piqued]

Yep, because their only response to struggling is to play one of the guys who makes you struggle even more.

If you scrambled their names/numbers there's no way a neutral observer would actually pick Miro to run it.

 

[redbeardtx]

I think in an attempt to fix the PP and save Spott's job, we'll probably just trade for Kreider to try and replace Pavelski's deflection skill in front of the net. If they're not gonna change the strategy, they're going to have to find someone who fits it instead

 

[Troy McClure]

I think in an attempt to fix the PP and save Spott's job, we'll probably just trade for Kreider to try and replace Pavelski's deflection skill in front of the net. If they're not gonna change the strategy, they're going to have to find someone who fits it instead

But the only way to get him on PP1 is to trade one of the guys on that unit. Otherwise, Krieder won't get a chance on PP1 until training camp in September. Sorry. Those are the rules. I think it's in the CBA.

 

[piqued]

It'll be interesting to watch Team Finland's effectiveness since they don't have any other options.

Although now that I"m thinking about it I'd probably have Granlund or Aho run the point