Ongoing Powerplay Discussion
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txomisc
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Lately they are lucky to even get a scoring chance on the powerplay. This team can throw out way too much talent for the powerplay to be this horrendous.
txomisc
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It needs to happen. All you are missing there would be 5 minutes of garbutt. I have no doubts that Kconn could play wing as well as garbutt does anyway.
Cin
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Agreed. There's no movement from ANY of the guys, and it's so obvious any time they try to set a certain shot up. People need to move and cycle.
Get Connauton on the blue line and let him and Seguin just rip shots over and over.
Park Benn and Chiasson right in the crease, and have Eakin opposite of Seguin on the half wall to feed KConn and Segs.
Let Tyler and Kevin rotate and try shots from different angles constantly. Just berate the goalie with shots and It'll succeed.
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I think that's on the right track. ^
Part of the problem right now is Goligoski knows the objective is to set up Seguin for the shot, but he's not smart enough to know what passing lanes to create or what angle to deliver the pass. So you get these strange little passes coming at Seguin from the top of the umbrella that are much more difficult to one-time than if they were traveling more perpendicular to his shooting stance from across the zone. Almost nothing is going across the PK box, the puck is just doing laps around the outside, occasionally reversing direction.
Part of the problem right now is Goligoski knows the objective is to set up Seguin for the shot, but he's not smart enough to know what passing lanes to create or what angle to deliver the pass. So you get these strange little passes coming at Seguin from the top of the umbrella that are much more difficult to one-time than if they were traveling more perpendicular to his shooting stance from across the zone. Almost nothing is going across the PK box, the puck is just doing laps around the outside, occasionally reversing direction.
haf
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Agree on this as well. The lack of movement lets the whole pk know what is coming (1-timer from Seguin). There needs to be rotating parts of the umbrella for it to work properly or the whole thing needs to rotate more from side to side as the puck moves. Angles HAVE to change for it to have success and allow passes across the slot.
A stationary umbrella is a waste of time. Just put point shots on and chase rebounds if you are going to sit still like that. We have big forwards with good hands. Might as well use 'em.
Cin
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To the top with you.
Time for Fraser to go methinks. The coaching staff and Nill needs to grow some balls with how they're handling fixing this thing.
Time for Fraser to go methinks. The coaching staff and Nill needs to grow some balls with how they're handling fixing this thing.
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It's going to be 30th in the league after tonight. The offensive juggernaut that is the Florida Panthers are off the hook.
You wonder if they'd make a move like that, I remember that it did take a while before it was confirmed that Fraser would return under the Nill regime.
You wonder if they'd make a move like that, I remember that it did take a while before it was confirmed that Fraser would return under the Nill regime.
glovesave_35
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First time I've heard Razor call it out so bluntly, specifically being "stagnant", which has been the biggest problem for the last five or so years.
they are just being too damn cute--trying to make the perfect shot
just get it up there and slam bodies at it
hell, just firing it at defenders trying to block it creates----it creates some pain in their ribs and makes them slow for a bit---then seize the opportunity
just get it up there and slam bodies at it
hell, just firing it at defenders trying to block it creates----it creates some pain in their ribs and makes them slow for a bit---then seize the opportunity
glovesave_35
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I disagree with all of this. They aren't being too cute at all. Their passes are completely obvious and the PP on the whole lacks any kind of creativity. They already are "just shooting" a fair bit. The problem is that they miss the net and exit the zone or hit a defender's body and pop out of the zone.
Frozen Failure
They got business in my hockey, and I hate it.
They are neither creative enough nor fast enough to effectively move the puck on the powerplay. Which means their confidence sinks and then we suck. There are not enough weapons on the power play.
It's a roster issue and it will continue being a roster issue.
It's a roster issue and it will continue being a roster issue.
maybe I didn't come across exactly what I meant---the cycling it around and around for the perfect shot---that is too cute for me---which in your words if I am correct in interpreting them---is too obvious for the defenders
just frustrated by it---wish we would just take it to the net
InjuredChoker
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stars are converting at just 9% on 5on5 but only under 7% on pp.
highly doubtful it that way but still.
highly doubtful it that way but still.
Generally people who work with statistics have recognized that over the long run a team's goal scoring rate on the power-play will basically match the rate at which they can generate shot attempts on the power play. Dallas takes roughly 0.89 shots per minute on the power play, which is right around league average actually. We can say pretty confidently that Dallas has been very unfortunate on their shooting percentage on the power play, although there is still a bunch of room for improvement - a team that generates shots as easily at even strength as the Stars (they are something like 2nd or 3rd in the league at shot attempts per minute at even strength) should also be well above average at doing so on the power-play one would think...
It's funny but the penalty kill is actually the exact opposite scenario. The Stars allow more shots per minute (1.12) on the kill than any other team in the league except for Buffalo. That has to improve drastically or you'd expect the Stars to start allowing goals at a higher rate on the penalty kill as time goes on.
It's funny but the penalty kill is actually the exact opposite scenario. The Stars allow more shots per minute (1.12) on the kill than any other team in the league except for Buffalo. That has to improve drastically or you'd expect the Stars to start allowing goals at a higher rate on the penalty kill as time goes on.
glovesave_35
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Neither of those two statistics say anything regarding the quality of shot attempts.
Every team takes "good quality" shots and every team takes "bad quality" shots. So far this year the Stars have had 138 minutes of time on the 5 on 4 PP, so basically 2 games and 1 period of game time. With that small of sample size it's absolutely reasonable to speculate that a low shooting percentage is much more likely the result of bad luck than anything else.
**I guess another point to make is that the team shot 12.8% on the power-play last season, which was just around league average. There's no reason to suspect that a shooting percentage at half that rate over a quarter of a full season is an accurate reflection of the Stars' ability on the power play.
glovesave_35
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Jagr was pretty successful on the PP here.
The PP looks really bad for all of the reasons previously mentioned. How can you watch the games and then compare that to statistics and come away thinking they're "unlucky"?
I'm also not satisfied with your explanation of good quality shots/bad quality shots. Penalty killing is often not about taking the shot away completely but pushing the opponent to the perimeter and making them force bad shots through. Some teams do it better than others. You can't just say that well, everyone has their good shots and their bad shots and it evens out. It's not that simple.
glovesave_35
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The biggest problem is obvious and that is we don't have an adequate PP QB. The guy we traded a young goal scorer for has a grand total of 6 PPG's in a Stars uniform in 165 games. There is no plan of attack or at least there doesn't appear to be one. It's bungle after bungle with the man advantage, often giving up the best opportunities to the penalty killers.
this is tough for me.. but i have to disagree with you. i'm a stats guy. i'm a data analyst in real life, so i'm more than happy to crunch numbers and go with hard data over the eyetests...
however.
saying that every team takes good shots and every team takes bad shots is ignoring a huge variable that directly impacts goal scoring. i highly doubt that shooting percentages of 2 on 1 chances are exactly the same as 2 on 3. (and many other comparisons come to mind here) the most difficult thing in statistics is using modeling to predict- because you often don't have all of the necessary variables in your dataset. in this case, i feel very, very confident in saying that a higher % of higher quality shots would lead to a higher shot %. and to say that every team in the league generates the same percentages of qualities of shots is just silly.
with benn and nuke's puck possession skills---I would like to see them drive the net more
hell, I would like to see nuke get a chance on the pp
hell, I would like to see nuke get a chance on the pp
