Nylander might end of being a winger and Johnson is significantly better than Kadri
Value of: Ondrej Palat to the Leafs
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Nylander might end of being a winger and Johnson is significantly better than Kadri
RegularSznAllStars
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We are contending for a cup. Why would we trade an elite 2 way winger? Toronto is rebuilding and several years away, why would they make this deal?
Also, anyone who thinks Palat will be exposed is ridiculous.
Also, anyone who thinks Palat will be exposed is ridiculous.
Volodya Krutov
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Johnson's an established top 6 center and Tampa doesn't have someone to replace him if he gets moved. He's close to unmovable for that reason. If Tampa is forced to let go one of their "attractive" forwards, Killorn, Drouin, Namestnikov or even Palat would go before Johnson.
Drouin won't be moved unless his attitude issues resurface or his contract demands are completely unreasonable. Not only does he have the potential to be as good as or possibly even better than Kucherov, but he's also the key to getting any sort of value out of Stamkos. Namestnikov also won't save enough to be worth moving - we'd have to lose another forward anyway so we might as well keep him. That leaves Killorn, Palat, or Johnson.
You're right about positional scarcity making it unlikely that Johnson would be moved, but it's still possible under a number of scenarios (Namestnikov steps his game up, Point wows in a late season call-up, Yzerman is able to acquire a solid 2C via trade, Johnson's injury issues resurface, or Johnson has a spectacular year and we simply can't afford him.) Otherwise we're probably looking at Palat or Killorn going, especially if there's a chance we can lure Gusev over as a replacement.
Volodya Krutov
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It all depends whether someone can internally step up, but if things don't drastically change, trading Johnson equals accepting a retool year. You know you're going nowhere without 2 legit centers for top 6 duty.
Edit: I forgot Filppula who's possibly get moved or even bought out to save a significant amount of cap space, which makes Johnson's departure even less likely.
Randy Randerson
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Ah ok - if he's unprotected he's probably one of Vegas's better players, very good winger and gets protected on most teams
trick9
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I didn't say Leafs should do it, just said it would take Rielly.
Palat would instantly be the best forward and player on the Leafs.
I doubt Rielly would get you anywhere near Nikita Kucherov.
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ReginKarlssonLehner
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What does this mean? Malkin is the 2nd best center on the Penguins, does that lower Malkin's value?
It would absolutely take Rielly to get Palat. If you traded Rielly for Kucherov, you'd definitely have to add to Rielly.
No it would NOT take Rielly to get Palat
Rielly is a future #1 D man
You don't give up a #1 D man to get Palat
ReginKarlssonLehner
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Yea, you don't give up a number 1 D man. Rielly isn't yet tho, lol. In a year Rielly probably and likely has more value than Palat. But right now a top line forward is worth an unproven number 1 D yet currently has top pairing ability.
Palat is an elite 2 way forward who puts up top line numbers.
Health permitting, by September 2017 Rielly will be seen as a #1 D man you don't deal that for Palat
Namikaze Minato
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First, yes, that probably does lower malkins value as opposed to him being the true number 1 center on a team, Pens would be more willing to get rid of him knowing they have crosby than say, the predators.
secondly, no. No it wouldnt take Rielly for Palat. How can it take Larsson to get Hall but it would cost Toronto a better defenceman for a worse winger? How does that make any sense at all?
Oh right, cuz only on HF is Rielly going to be "Overvalued" and everyone toronto ever tries to trade for is worth way more than they would be to any other team.
Wouldnt trade Rielly for Kucherov either, as much as i love that kid it doesnt make a lick of sense for toronto.
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Halla
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Palat had 4 more points than Rielly last year...on a powerhouse tampa team....as a forward.
seriously LOL at the notion that Palat>Rielly
Halla
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Namikaze Minato
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You clearly dont get it. Palat is YOUNG and plays 2 way. and has a much more prestigious position!
W>>D.
ALSo Rielyl is 2 old
Iceman
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Better at what? Hockey in general? Because Matthews hasn't played a single NHL game yet. Palat is an NHL player so I'm not sure what you are comparing.
If Matthews doesn't turn out to be a better player I would be greatly disappointed in the game of hockey not producing anything better.
Halla
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so this time last year palat was better than mcdavid?
Matthews was arguably the best NA forward vs Russia, and made victor hedman and Ristolainen both look plain silly. but yeah, he hasnt played a game yet so he sucks.
Leafs have 0 interest in Palat, especially at the cost bolts fans think they could get. Any assets they move will be on a top 4 RHD.
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Iceman
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Why are you putting yourself in such an awkward spot? Does that come with being a Leafs fan? You don't have to distort things just because people don't have fireworks everytime they mention your players in a sentence.
Kent Nilsson
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As usual, this thread ends up being a bunch of Leafs fans discussing between themselves how good Rielly/Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Babcock/etc are and how little they care about the player the OP (another Leafs fan) asked for.
FinnLightning26
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Leafs have 0 interest in a Hossa-lite player that is only 25 years old? Any team would love to have a player like Palat in their top six.
Also, the victim complex you guys have is pretty funny.
Lol, the reason we dont want to pay what it'd take to get Palat is that we dont need WINGERS, we need a top four RHD. So if we are paying a big price anyway, why not add to a position of weakness instead of a strength?
If you are going to target one of our young star forwards, go after Johnson. He'd be easier to part with because we have Namestnikov, Filppula, and Point in the system. Palat is uniquely talented and has a skill set in an area that the team as a whole overall lacks. Be prepared to significantly overpay.
Also, lol at the suggestion of exposing him to the expansion draft. Come back and contribute once the drugs have worn off, and I mean that as nicely as possible.
Also, lol at the suggestion of exposing him to the expansion draft. Come back and contribute once the drugs have worn off, and I mean that as nicely as possible.
Halla
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for the cost bolts fans expect? hell no.
Toronto needs D. We have a glut of young forwards coming up, and some here think its a good idea to move Rielly for Palat?
nope.
also Hossa? c'mon! When Hossa was 25, he was a 4 time 30+ goal scorer, one of which was 45 (more than palats points last year).
leafs moving significant assets for a winger make no sense, and they arent helping tampa out of their cap hell.
