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Once again, skidding into the playoffs...
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So figure in Matthews 28 goals instead of probably 60 right now and there is the drop in goals scored.
Cut down on goals against only slightly. With arguably better goaltending and a D that is supposed to be better.
Ugh
Not unless it’s something that happened in preseason or to start the year it makes sense that way or he would have got surgery if it was the off season
Just so there's no confusion, we're currently discussing the Leafs skidding into the playoffs *checks standings* as they're 1st in the division ?
We're not gonna win them all, major props for scoring 2 with the empty net to grab a point. But when was the last time we were this deep into the season and legitimately contending for 1st in our division ?
We're not gonna win them all, major props for scoring 2 with the empty net to grab a point. But when was the last time we were this deep into the season and legitimately contending for 1st in our division ?
Leafsfan74
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One positive to take from the game against San Jose is that you can tell they want to win for one another. It has that "last dance" feel to the team and they realize the fate of the future of the team is in their hands.
You can tell they are a close group and it is going to be a big deal for them come playoffs.
They never seem to rise to the occasion when it matters so I won't be naive. However for perhaps the first time in this long journey of losses, they have something to win for beyond the Cup itself. Each other. It's never been this clear to them and you can see they want to win for each other.
You can tell they are a close group and it is going to be a big deal for them come playoffs.
They never seem to rise to the occasion when it matters so I won't be naive. However for perhaps the first time in this long journey of losses, they have something to win for beyond the Cup itself. Each other. It's never been this clear to them and you can see they want to win for each other.
Covid, and one could even argue last year we were in the hunt for a bit. That being said, they are currently pacing for 100 point finish based on their play in March, which *checks notes* would be our worst regular season showing since 2019. That's with "amazing goaltending" and "way better defense". I hope they pull it together over the last 10 games, because Florida has a game in hand (7-4 in March), and Tampa has been playing better recently (8-6 in March).
Better hope these guys can start playing better than .500 hockey if they want to finish in 1st.
I do have faith in Woll, but not to carry the load by himself. We will need them both to have any chance of going far in the playoffs.
Donnie740
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The majority of Leaf “fans” are over dramatic bandwagon jumpers.
Racer88
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That would be hard to come back from. If that did happen and they didn’t get rid of everyone of this defective core that they could I too would be done after 40 years of cheering them on.
Racer88
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Over dramatic maybe but bandwagon jumpers no, actually the opposite. We keep hoping year after year, decade after decade.
Donnie740
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Have you read any of the comments on this forum?
Leafs lose a few games and the bandwagon jumpers are proclaiming Toronto is the easiest first round opponent of any team in the east.
Win a few games, and those same naysayers are right back on the hype train.
Classic bandwagon boys.
I would argue that is not really being a bandwagon fan.
Overdramatic emotional wreck. Even though they lament every loss and take a player having a bad game personally, they still are watching and engaged in Leaf Nation.
Racer88
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I refer you to the “dramatic” part of our discussion. Lots of wailing and nashing of teeth myself included sometimes but none of us ever leave.
Maybe the Leafs should try winning a cup and then people would be more forgiving about getting pumped by 3 of the worst teams in the league while their cup core is in their prime.
This isn't about a 5-4 shootout loss to the Avs/Knights/Florida, it's about horrendous efforts vs horrendous teams at a crucial time which is really more of the same we've seen from this core.
PROUD PAPA
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Are the ones that do leave actually bandwagon jumpers? If someone commits decades to supporting a team and that team never delivers why shouldn’t they weigh their options?
If people want to portray themselves as “true” fans based simply on the fact they’re tolerant of mediocrity, knock yourselves out. That doesn’t entitle them to criticize people who eventually decide their preferences and the teams don’t align. When they reach that point what possible reason do they have to continue the support? Anyone is welcome to answer that question btw.
notDatsyuk
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They are currently pacing for a 101 point finish based on their play in March, which would be their worst regular season showing since 2020, and worse by only one point than last season.
Of course if you pick a different random date a few days earlier or later they are on a pace to exceed last year's total.
All while having their best player injured all season and missing 13 games.
Donnie740
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That was because of the minor league coach and junior league GM. Impossible to win any with Bozo the Keefe and Dumbass. Look at the catastrophic results in New Jersey and Pittsburgh.
New Jersey is in 3rd place in their division and is already 2 points over their last season total. It's not looking like Keefe has been "catastrophic" for them at all. I wasn't a Keefe fan at all during his tenure with the Leafs but he's certainly not the problem in NJ, atleast from my limited viewings.
Ok, my estimate was off by 1 point, doesn't make much of a difference to my argument, I was referring to the 19/20 season.
Sure, and we could look at the season in totality as well and say everything is fine. That isn't the point I was trying to make though. I'm simply pointing out going from an amazing month like February to playing sub .500 hockey a few weeks before playoffs is concerning.
He has been injured for more games in other seasons, so that's irrelevant. He has also had injuries nagging him on and off for most of his career with the Leafs.
NJ lost their best player beginning of March, and you're blaming Keefe? Up until that point they were pacing the Leafs for most of the season. They are also objectively better defensively than the Leafs this season. Weird when they have a "Dumbass" coach, eh?
You don't have to rip others down to build yourself up you know...
Ultimately it's on the players, they have the talent, they got paid, they didn't perform. Simple as.
They're in the same spot they've been in the past 8 years; 4-8 range vs the league.
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PP is looking good other than a shorty. Last 4 years or so the pp died up really bad going into the playoffs.
notDatsyuk
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But 14 points in 13 games is not sub .500 hockey.
I think the last time he missed more games was the 17-18 season, and it's pretty obvious that his current injury is affecting him more than others, and it has been affecting him all season.
Donnie740
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Bozo the Keefe is a terrible NHL coach - - he’s proven that over the past half decade of constantly being outcoached in the playoffs.
Last week a New Jersey player flat out said the team needs to play with more intensity - - exactly the same issue that Toronto had - - and Bozo the Keefe threw a tantrum and blamed the player instead of acknowledging that he’s a soft coach.
Look at the debacle unfolding in Pittsburgh, terrible contracts and hopelessly inept goaltending. Exact same problem that happened in Toronto. The only difference is that Pittsburgh doesn’t have young talent like Matthews, Marner and Nylander to overcome the incompetent GM.
