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I am Canadian...but I don't think US team choked . Team Canada just has too many better players on the Blueline is the only reason they won...I'm sick of hearing about how great Carey Price is...it is absolutely foolish how all the Hab fans are saying he is better than the King...he is far from that...and he is not even as good as Quick . I though the US taking the grittier guys would have been of benefit for them...but maybe it was also a drawback and a couple of more offensive weapons could have helped...I guess we won't know that answer and we as fans will always wonder what would have and what would not work....You guys have absolutely NOTHING to be ashamed about....the US team were a class act and I was soooo proud of our Rangers in this tourney...I'm actually hoping that the KING steals a game and wins Gold...and I'm catching a lot of grief over it from my friends LOL...GO RANGERS !!!! :yo::yo::yo:
 
Leetch66 said:
I am Canadian...but I don't think US team choked . Team Canada just has too many better players on the Blueline is the only reason they won...I'm sick of hearing about how great Carey Price is...it is absolutely foolish how all the Hab fans are saying he is better than the King...he is far from that...and he is not even as good as Quick . I though the US taking the grittier guys would have been of benefit for them...but maybe it was also a drawback and a couple of more offensive weapons could have helped...I guess we won't know that answer and we as fans will always wonder what would have and what would not work....You guys have absolutely NOTHING to be ashamed about....the US team were a class act and I was soooo proud of our Rangers in this tourney...I'm actually hoping that the KING steals a game and wins Gold...and I'm catching a lot of grief over it from my friends LOL...GO RANGERS !!!! :yo::yo::yo:
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Agree with this. Doughty, Weber, Keith, Pietrangelo are all elite NHL defensemen. The USA's top 4 d-men Suter, McDonagh, Shattenkirk and Fowler come up a little short of being elite. It made a difference.
 
JPP4121 said:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/20565161-419/telander-an- ill-timed-vanishing-act-for-patrick-kane.html


I don't why the link messes up when i post it. Delete the space between the - and ill and it should work.


or just google sun times patrick kane vanishing act
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Yeah and then he had 5 pts in 6 finals games. The kid is a gamer 90% of the time, every player has a tough series or tournament. Toews didn't do much either but got let off the hook because he isn't a character like Kane.
 
Not going to venture into the main board thread, but are people seriously suggesting that Doughty is just as good a candidate for MVP as Karlsson?

Doughty has been good no doubt, but Karlsson has been dominant and is basically the entirety of the Swedish offence.

Not only has Karlsson been better than Doughty, he has been far more valuable to his team.

He has to be - at least on HF - the most underrated superstar in hockey.
 
Blue Blooded said:
Not going to venture into the main board thread, but are people seriously suggesting that Doughty is just as good a candidate for MVP as Karlsson?

Doughty has been good no doubt, but Karlsson has been dominant and is basically the entirety of the Swedish offence.

Not only has Karlsson been better than Doughty, he has been far more valuable to his team.

He has to be - at least on HF - the most underrated superstar in hockey.
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Laughable. Karlsson has been carrying Sweden's offense. MVP of the tourney even if Sweden loses. Amazing player.
 
Blue Blooded said:
Not going to venture into the main board thread, but are people seriously suggesting that Doughty is just as good a candidate for MVP as Karlsson?

Doughty has been good no doubt, but Karlsson has been dominant and is basically the entirety of the Swedish offence.

Not only has Karlsson been better than Doughty, he has been far more valuable to his team.

He has to be - at least on HF - the most underrated superstar in hockey.
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You are a bit parochial with your Swedish players but yes Karlsson IMO is the most valuable if not the best (that's more of an argument) defenseman in the world. As far as MVP of this tournament goes I really don't give a ****. Personally I want to see Sweden win the gold first because of Henrik and 2nd because of Hagelin both of whom I like more than Nash. Something I want more even than that though is no more injuries to any of the Rangers players still playing.

If there is such a thing as an Olympic MVP I suspect it will go to a player on the winning team.
 
Karlsson certainly ain't underrated in my book. And by that I mean, I think he's the best offensive dman in the world. Not that he isn't underrated on HF.
 
Blue Blooded said:
Not going to venture into the main board thread, but are people seriously suggesting that Doughty is just as good a candidate for MVP as Karlsson?

Doughty has been good no doubt, but Karlsson has been dominant and is basically the entirety of the Swedish offence.

Not only has Karlsson been better than Doughty, he has been far more valuable to his team.

He has to be - at least on HF - the most underrated superstar in hockey.
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Too bad he can't park a car.

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for the record. Im not one who is blaming today's loss on Kane. Secondly, I wasn't saying he isn't clutch or that he isn't a gamer, or that I wouldn't take on the rangers in a heartbeat. I made a comment that in games I've watched Patrick Kane, he does have a tendency to disappear for stretches and that at times he either doesn't have it going or he's not engaged.

If it seems I have something personal against him That story of how he and a friend started punching a cab driver from the backseat of the cab when the cab driver asked for the fare. That's why. That is dehumanizing to do to someone. I don't care how old you, you don't do that. Add in some rumors he choked a young woman at a frat party.
 
eco's bones said:
Agree with this. Doughty, Weber, Keith, Pietrangelo are all elite NHL defensemen. The USA's top 4 d-men Suter, McDonagh, Shattenkirk and Fowler come up a little short of being elite. It made a difference.
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Suter and McDonagh are absolutely elite D-men. The problem was that every other D pairing was a liability in the USA's defensive zone. McD played great and on many occasions cleared the zone under pressure with ease.
 
New Yawk Ranguhs said:
Suter and McDonagh are absolutely elite D-men. The problem was that every other D pairing was a liability in the USA's defensive zone. McD played great and on many occasions cleared the zone under pressure with ease.
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Oh yeah. If anything, I'd say McD outplayed Suter this tournament. Suter was solid on D, but he didn't seem to provide any of the offense that I expected from him.

Every other US d-man was in over their head during the Canada game IMO, but those two were good, especially McD.
 
I hesitate to say that McDonagh has been the best American d-man but I think it--there's a little bias though. I was impressed with how Fowler and Shattenkirk moved the puck around. Suter was good but not any better than McD and didn't have to move to his off side like McD did.

McDonagh though is going to have to bring the level of his offense up a bit to get in the top half dozen or so d-men. I'm thinking he maybe comes in around the top 10-12.
 
So you guys think that these Olympics might take McD's game to another level even? The guy was one of the brightest stars amongst the best players in the world.
 
Blue Blooded said:
Not going to venture into the main board thread, but are people seriously suggesting that Doughty is just as good a candidate for MVP as Karlsson?

Doughty has been good no doubt, but Karlsson has been dominant and is basically the entirety of the Swedish offence.

Not only has Karlsson been better than Doughty, he has been far more valuable to his team.

He has to be - at least on HF - the most underrated superstar in hockey.
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You Swedish homer.
 
Blue Blooded said:
Not going to venture into the main board thread, but are people seriously suggesting that Doughty is just as good a candidate for MVP as Karlsson?

Doughty has been good no doubt, but Karlsson has been dominant and is basically the entirety of the Swedish offence.

Not only has Karlsson been better than Doughty, he has been far more valuable to his team.

He has to be - at least on HF - the most underrated superstar in hockey.
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Karlsson is ridiculous. He's back at the top of his game.
 
Also, FWIW, I don't think its too "homerish" to say McDonagh was the best American dman.

A bunch of my buddies from Minnesota who are huge Wild (and Suter) fans said the same thing. And were raving all tourney. I think Suter is right there (though a bit tough to compare) if not ahead, but the fact the McDonagh is in the conversation is awesome.

I will say Fowler was about at my expectations. Ditto Carlson. The defenseman that impressed the heck out of me was Shattenkirk. Dynamic at times and solid in his own end.
 
New Yawk Ranguhs said:
Suter and McDonagh are absolutely elite D-men. The problem was that every other D pairing was a liability in the USA's defensive zone. McD played great and on many occasions cleared the zone under pressure with ease.
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We'll be in much better shape in 4 years when Jones and Trouba are ready.
 
McDonagh was certainly their best today, aside from when he tried to score on Quick :sarcasm:

It was nice to hear commentators not named Sam, Joe, or Pierre rave about him.
 
Blue Blooded said:
Not going to venture into the main board thread, but are people seriously suggesting that Doughty is just as good a candidate for MVP as Karlsson?

Doughty has been good no doubt, but Karlsson has been dominant and is basically the entirety of the Swedish offence.

Not only has Karlsson been better than Doughty, he has been far more valuable to his team.

He has to be - at least on HF - the most underrated superstar in hockey.
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The hypocrisy over there is just dumbfounding.

When confronted with stats and facts as to why Doughty isn't significantly better than say, McDonagh, the only defense from the Doughtyists (I'm making it a religion as of now because it might as ****ing well be) is that "he's a gamebreaker, bro."

Which is funny considering the biggest game-breaking defenseman in the league by miles and miles -Erik Karlsson- is the Satan to Doughty's God on the main boards.

It just doesn't add up. But you have to remember, it's the main boards, where lemons are limes, 2 + 2 = 5, and elephants can fly.
 
The Dark Passenger said:
6) Lastly, people ripping Bylsma I don't get. He is a great coach. He can coach my team any time.
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On diffrent channels, I heard around 7-8 experts, former coaches etc in Sweden be very puzzled about Bylsma's strategy.

I don't know what Sweden will be able to do, the Canadian defense looks extremely strong no doubt. But to challenge that D you need to make them turn around. The US defense was definitely standing still way too much in the transition game. Way too many long passes were sent up the boards to isolated wingers.

Bylsma did look like a coach who is used to coaching a team at a much lower level with two mega stars centers on it who takes care of the offense for him.
 
Machinehead said:
It just doesn't add up. But you have to remember, it's the main boards, where lemons are limes, 2 + 2 = 5, and elephants can fly.
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Don't forget Olympic Gold belongs to Canada by Divine Fiat.Forever.

This "Our A,B,C & D team could beat the world's best" makes it easy to root against Canada.

Strictly my opinion of course, actual mileage may vary.
 
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