Oilers Trade Deadline Shopping List

[FlameChampion]

Probably 3-4 F.

At least 1 Top 6 winger. A 3C to push Henrique to wing or just move him. A 4C. Need some speed and size at forward.

At least 1D. Preferably someone who pairs well with Nurse.

And at least 1G to replace Skinner. Replacing both goalies wouldn’t be a bad idea.

If management is serious about winning a cup they need to consider moving players to fill holes.

The closer it gets to deadline without a significant upgrade, the less likely it becomes.

I’m expecting a depth dman and a depth forward, but hopefully I am wrong.

 

[Duke74]

I'm less worried about forward depth.

Skinner makes everyone look worse, and everyone plays much more tentative and nervous.

Exactly. That's why having a goalie that the team trusts will change everything.

So it looks like a middle 6 forward (which could be 3rd liner) and a 5/6 depth blueliner.

Goalie I have no idea.

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What's frustrating is Jeff Skinner will not be Drai's winger. He was done after 1 period and he is NOT IN ANYWAY a guy you want in the bottom 6 in a playoff series.

So we are seriously going into the Playoffs with Drai's winger being extremely "Meh"
After we lose they will bitch that yet again we have no Wingers for Leon.

Draisaitl has made do with garbage wingers his entire career. I think there are bigger priorities ATM.

 

[independent observer]

If McDavid and Draisaitl want to win the cup, we need an elite goaltender, usually it is almost impossible to win a cup without one.

We can do all the trades or depth additions we want, in the end we need an elite goalie. Stu has sometimes good stretches and is still fairly young, but he is not the solution now and probably never will be.

Mgt needs to do bold moves like Florida just did.

 

[bellagiobob]

So we’ve gone from fans complaining that the Oilers are on a losing streak cause they made too many off season changes and the chemistry isn’t right yet, to wanting to make 5 or 6 deadline moves, with weeks to gel before the playoffs.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

If McDavid and Draisaitl want to win the cup, we need an elite goaltender, usually it is almost impossible to win a cup without one.

We can do all the trades or depth additions we want, in the end we need an elite goalie. Stu has sometimes good stretches and is still fairly young, but he is not the solution now and probably never will be.

Mgt needs to do bold moves like Florida just did.

The problem is Stan won without one

 

[McDanglez]

Regular season Janmark and playoff Janmark are 2 different players. We don't need an upgrade on him

 

[MessierII]

Probably 3-4 F.

At least 1 Top 6 winger. A 3C to push Henrique to wing or just move him. A 4C. Need some speed and size at forward.

At least 1D. Preferably someone who pairs well with Nurse.

And at least 1G to replace Skinner. Replacing both goalies wouldn’t be a bad idea.

If management is serious about winning a cup they need to consider moving players to fill holes.

The closer it gets to deadline without a significant upgrade, the less likely it becomes.

I’m expecting a depth dman and a depth forward, but hopefully I am wrong.

I think they definitely have one big move. It won’t just be depth peices. Could literally be any position but they definitely have a big move.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I think they definitely have one big move. It won’t just be depth peices. Could literally be any position but they definitely have a big move.

I think they have closed the door on a top D. The defence add will be depth/#6 or whatever.



They are looking at this:
Middle 6 winger
4C
Depth D
Potentially a goalie, but I can't get a good read.

I hope it's a winger for Drai instead of a 4C ( both would be nice)

 

[CROTT]

I'm less worried about forward depth.

Skinner makes everyone look worse, and everyone plays much more tentative and nervous.

That‘s just in your head, as a way to blame Skinner for more things. This team consistently comes out flat and slow regardless of who’s in net. As it’s just not good enough to maintain offensive zone time when McDavid and Draisaitl are not on the ice. And even they get hemmed in the defensive zone at times.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

That‘s just in your head, as a way to blame Skinner for more things. This team consistently comes out flat and slow regardless of who’s in net. As it’s just not good enough to maintain offensive zone time when McDavid and Draisaitl are not on the ice. And even they get hemmed in the defensive zone at times.

That's one way to frame it.

I see a goalie who lets in every cross-seam pass, and even gets beat clean on shots he sees.


Last year the defense learned to make plays. They had a lot more confidence in themselves and the system.

This year, the play just reminds me of the Stanley Cup hangover in 2007. Everyone top to bottom playing the puck like a grenade and forcing everything too much.

Just the other day, why did McDavid cough the puck up on the powerplay on a selfish play at the offensive blue line? I can't help but think he had zero trust that his goalies would be there to make a save, so he had to 1-man-show for a goal.

Yes McDavid is at fault for that I'm not absolving him of that. But being up a goal on the PP with a minute left? He makes a stupidly high-risk play?


Maybe I'm reading the tea leaves wrong, but I can't help but feel that insecurity stems from him not trusting the goalie and feeling extra pressure for an insurance goal or they'll likely lose.

The team doesn't trust our goalies with a 1-goal lead, and can you blame them?

 

[oXo Cube]

Podkolzin and Arvidsson are too weak and perimeter to move the needle. Niether have game breaking skating you need at times to break a game open in the playoffs.

Holloway, Foegle and Mcleod had these intangibles in key times in a series.

You have a massive problem with that second line.

Absurd revisionist history. McLeod and Foegele were complete garbage for pretty much the entire run last year. Holloway was slightly better but incredibly inconsistent.

You can complain about how the teams current Wingers aren't getting the job done without making things up.

 

[ManofSteel55]

As always, the top need is a 2nd pair RD.

To me:

1) 2nd pair RD
2) Starting goalie
3) top six winger
4) bottom six centre

To the team - probably the same, without #2 by the sound of it.

Expendable - Arvidsson or Kane (likely not both), Kapanen (waiver wire), J. Skinner (probably not movable), futures.

Nuge - McDavid - Hyman
New Guy/J. Skinner - Drai - Savoie
Kane/Arvidson - New Guy - Perry/Podkolzin
Janmark - Henrique - Brown/Perry

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - New Guy
Kulak - Emberson/Klingberg
Stecher

New Guy
Skinner or Pickard

Doing this with our cap space is going to be...difficult.

A 2RD may not be available, so we might have to settle for a 4/5 D that can play either side but is left handed. The talk of Jamie Oleksiak is smart, and I hope this is a realistic option. Given our GM's history with the Hawks, I could see him making a move for Connor Murphy as well.

The top six winger issue might have to be filled by Jeff Skinner, despite Knoblauch not trusting him. We likely can only move one of him, Arvidson or Kane. So I'll consider that one "unlikely".

3C can only be upgraded if we move Arvy or Kane. Otherwise, we will need to rely on Henrique, who has been disappointing in that role, but I'm hoping our veterans step up in the playoffs and play like they did a year ago, instead of how they have this year.

Goalie is the biggest issue, both because Bowman is publicly stating he isn't shopping for one, and because there are really very few options there. John Gibson may be the only real option left. I wish we made the move for Blackwood earlier this year.

Absurd revisionist history. McLeod and Foegele were complete garbage for pretty much the entire run last year. Holloway was slightly better but incredibly inconsistent.

You can complain about how the teams current Wingers aren't getting the job done without making things up.

Agreed. McLeod was invisible for the first three playoff series. Holloway was good, but as you said, you could see the rookie warts. Foegele always seemed to be the hardest skating guy out there, but he often left you wanting more. Although I do miss seeing him move the puck. This is one player I didn't think I would miss, but if I could go back and pass on Arvidson and keep Foegele, I would.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I think they definitely have one big move. It won’t just be depth peices. Could literally be any position but they definitely have a big move.

We're overloaded with depth pieces as is. It has to be a big move in my opinion.

 

[oXo Cube]

Victor Arvidsson had 3 points in the playoffs last year playing for LA. Ryan McLeod had 4.

To Foegele's credit he showed up against Florida after being flat out awful for the first 3 rounds but the team moved on from these guys explicitly because they were not even close to getting the job done.

 

[NeverForget06]

Victor Arvidsson had 3 points in the playoffs last year playing for LA. Ryan McLeod had 4.

To Foegele's credit he showed up against Florida after being flat out awful for the first 3 rounds but the team moved on from these guys explicitly because they were not even close to getting the job done.

Meh, Foegele took that dumb kneeing penalty and got himself chucked out of Game 2... that didn't help

Anyone who thinks Ryan McLeod was ever going to help this team win is flat out wrong. He may have a few more points this year, cool ! Not a playoff performer unless Buffalo taught him how to play with heart and grit, which I highly highly doubt.

 

[powerserge]

Victor Arvidsson had 3 points in the playoffs last year playing for LA. Ryan McLeod had 4.

To Foegele's credit he showed up against Florida after being flat out awful for the first 3 rounds but the team moved on from these guys explicitly because they were not even close to getting the job done.

Funny Foegele and Holloway both have stated repeatedly that they left for more opportunity. Did they not get it done or was it lack of opportunity here? Seems they are doing well given that opportunity as is McLeod. Instead we went with 30+ year old vets. They are the ones not getting the job done. Skinner and Arv were suppose to be upgrades, obviously not, said so in the off season.

Anyways what's done is done, we have an older slower vet team and come playoffs with that lack of speed it will come to bite us. Unless we get Kane for the playoffs (not during the season)and use his money now, upgrade on Arv then upgrade on Picks. Waive Kap. Then we can salvage the situation.

 

[oXo Cube]

Funny Foegele and Holloway both have stated repeatedly that they left for more opportunity. Did they not get it done or was it lack of opportunity here? Seems they are doing well given that opportunity as is McLeod. Instead we went with 30+ year old vets. They are the ones not getting the job done. Skinner and Arv were suppose to be upgrades, obviously not, said so in the off season.

Anyways what's done is done, we have an older slower vet team and come playoffs with that lack of speed it will come to bite us. Unless we get Kane for the playoffs (not during the season)and use his money now, upgrade on Arv then upgrade on Picks. Waive Kap. Then we can salvage the situation.

Warren Foegele's most common linemate last year was Leon Draisaitl. The idea he didn't get significant opportunity to produce here is hogwash regardless of what he says.

Arvidsson and Skinner also haven't delivered to expectations yes. That's got nothing to do with what I'm pushing back against here.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Apparently we can add "GMs that don't hand out clauses like candy" to the list.

 

[Drumman44]

Hawks fan coming in peace (sort of... f*** Stan Bowman).

What would you give up for Spencer Knight? Obviously you'd send us Skinner to make the salary work.

 

[powerserge]

Warren Foegele's most common linemate last year was Leon Draisaitl. The idea he didn't get significant opportunity to produce here is hogwash regardless of what he says.

Arvidsson and Skinner also haven't delivered to expectations yes. That's got nothing to do with what I'm pushing back against here.

Playing 12-13 mins average a night isn't enough of an opportunity. They were getting the job done, size, youth and speed.

It's very simple last year teams were chasing us because we would carry the play with our speed. More time in the O zone. Now teams are not chasing our play anymore. It's a significant disadvantage over last years team.

Knobs said it himself when we brought Kap in. Even with his deficiencies, he added a bit more size and speed which he said were things we were lacking.

Not a fan of the vet old and slower approach.

 

[CycloneSweep]

So we’ve gone from fans complaining that the Oilers are on a losing streak cause they made too many off season changes and the chemistry isn’t right yet, to wanting to make 5 or 6 deadline moves, with weeks to gel before the playoffs.

To be fair, the guys people want to move out are the guys with no chemistry

 

[MoneyGuy]

You guys are identifying a lot of holes. I thought this was our do-or-die season but I’m not seeing a team that can go all the way. Where is the money coming from to fill those holes?

 

[CROTT]

Meh, Foegele took that dumb kneeing penalty and got himself chucked out of Game 2... that didn't help

Anyone who thinks Ryan McLeod was ever going to help this team win is flat out wrong. He may have a few more points this year, cool ! Not a playoff performer unless Buffalo taught him how to play with heart and grit, which I highly highly doubt.

The thing with McLeod was that every thing else was there at a decent level. But, yes he lacked grit. There was a short stretch when he was playing with Draisaitl that he had a bit of grit to his game. Henrique made him expendable and is next contract was going to be a bit to rich before the cap was said to be jumping over the next few seasons.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Hawks fan coming in peace (sort of... f*** Stan Bowman).

What would you give up for Spencer Knight? Obviously you'd send us Skinner to make the salary work.

I don't think Spencer Knight is ready for the workload we would need to throw him into, so probably nothing.

You guys are identifying a lot of holes. I thought this was our do-or-die season but I’m not seeing a team that can go all the way. Where is the money coming from to fill those holes?

A lot of guys will have to play a lot better than they have so far this season for us to do any damage in the post-season.

Apparently we can add "GMs that don't hand out clauses like candy" to the list.

Ugh, a NMC for a middle six winger coming off of a major surgery? So stupid.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

You guys are identifying a lot of holes. I thought this was our do-or-die season but I’m not seeing a team that can go all the way. Where is the money coming from to fill those holes?

Who knows. I'm not sure Oilers management pays attention to anything.