Proposal: Oilers/Rangers - Draisaitl for Shesterkin
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We saw Shesterkin vs Panthers and we see Draisaitl vs Panthers, I doubt Rangers will trade their best playoff player...
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ponder719
Abols to Abols, Dust to Dust
As an outside observer, this becomes a lot more interesting conversation with a base of Shesterkin and Kreider for Draisaitl and Campbell. Kreider's obviously a downgrade on Drai, but he'd still be Edmonton's second-best forward, just ahead of Hyman and Nugent-Hopkins. Shesterkin is a mammoth upgrade on anyone Edmonton's had in net since, what Khabibulin? Fuhr and Moog? Ever? Drai is a top 5 player in the league, so a bigtime upgrade on Kreider, and the Rangers are a premiere FA destination, so I imagine they could muscle their way into talks with Brossoit, if they don't want to pony up for an Ullmark trade. Campbell rides buses in Hartford until Quick retires, then maybe he becomes NYR's backup, maybe not.
The base of the deal is an interesting idea as an outsider, probably needs to be some additions on both ends to make it work. Value seems to favor NYR in a 1 for 1 deal.
KirkAlbuquerque
#WeNeverGetAGoodCoach
Khabibulin was washed up when he came to Edmonton
This is an offer the Oilers need to take and run
Mika is a great center to replace Drai and Igor is Igor
I don't agree from a standpoint of value
Rs add only slightly to Shesty
if it is a fair deal
now, I am not a hypocrite
unless it is complementary like lefty for righty
deals are always for profit
enuf profit, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder
some transactions require premium return, others enuf will suffice.
I have said there are times you don't let certain assets go unless it is a top $
return
here the core pieces are both undeniably top $
That said, from a standpoint of moving long term cap
I would be amenable to moving Zib if he waived, and taking back
Lavoie, Broberg + Holloway
tro is untouchable
Zib likely refuses, but if he sees bread, Shesty moved, and he can W w/McD, he might
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
This makes some level of sense but there's a few problems.
1) It's the type of crazy shit that never happens.
2) I agree with those who say goalies have inherently lower value. Shesterkin simply doesn't fetch Draisaitl.
3) You could raise a fair criticism that Draisaitl is a guy who puts up a ton of points but has questionable play-driving. That's already a problem with the Rangers top six.
1) It's the type of crazy shit that never happens.
2) I agree with those who say goalies have inherently lower value. Shesterkin simply doesn't fetch Draisaitl.
3) You could raise a fair criticism that Draisaitl is a guy who puts up a ton of points but has questionable play-driving. That's already a problem with the Rangers top six.
ElPrimeTime
Registered User
There it is!
Looks at Bobrovsky... looks at the oilers... looks at the 3-0, look back at bobrovsky...
Shrugs shoulders.. "goalies don't hold that kind of value"
No goalies don’t get you top 5 players in a trade.
Doesn’t mean that it makes sense. As a Habs fan I’ve seen Price get a mediocre team deal in the playoffs but no act would have given us a top 5 players for Price
What you don't understand is you do not determine goalies value. The owners and GMs do. If they are all on the same page and say a true #1 top center is more valuable as a top 3 goalie, no one’s gonna make the trade. Even though a top goalie may provide a bigger impact in the playoffs. It’s going to be shown again when you see Igor’s next contract and then compare it to what Leon gets.
For the record I don’t think any player held move value than Igor did this playoff. He’s the reason the Rangers made it out of the second round. If you replaced Igor with Leon the Rangers are out in 6 vrs Carolina. Maybe even 5.
Lastly, I think Igor is the best goalie in the NHL but I wouldn’t take him over the 80 games and 100+ points each year that Leon provides.
The internet is gonna break when drai re ups with Edmonton in July lolol
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
This makes literally no sense for the Rangers.
I don’t care if HF has their “goalies aren’t real” narrative.
Draisaitl is a better version of two players that are by far the biggest problem with the current Rangers (Zibanejad and Panarin). We don’t need another PP specialist. And there’s no McDavid on our team either, so Edmonton has to pay that tax on any trade. His point totals are going down when he doesn’t play with a top 5 player ever on the PP and plenty at evens.
The Rangers only got as far as they did due to their goaltending. So they trade the best part of their team to add another finesse forward for their PP and then the goaltending that has saved them is going to be handed over to a 40 year old that tanked the second half of last season? No thanks. And we have every reason to believe we’ll sign Igor. I don’t pay much attention to if Edmonton is going to struggle to sign Draisaitl, but there’s no indication to believe we’ll have any issue signing our best player.
Big fat no thanks. And I don’t care if “it’s good HF value.” It’s not good common sense value for the Rangers.
I don’t care if HF has their “goalies aren’t real” narrative.
Draisaitl is a better version of two players that are by far the biggest problem with the current Rangers (Zibanejad and Panarin). We don’t need another PP specialist. And there’s no McDavid on our team either, so Edmonton has to pay that tax on any trade. His point totals are going down when he doesn’t play with a top 5 player ever on the PP and plenty at evens.
The Rangers only got as far as they did due to their goaltending. So they trade the best part of their team to add another finesse forward for their PP and then the goaltending that has saved them is going to be handed over to a 40 year old that tanked the second half of last season? No thanks. And we have every reason to believe we’ll sign Igor. I don’t pay much attention to if Edmonton is going to struggle to sign Draisaitl, but there’s no indication to believe we’ll have any issue signing our best player.
Big fat no thanks. And I don’t care if “it’s good HF value.” It’s not good common sense value for the Rangers.
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It's not nearly as simple as that. Just because you have Draisaitl doesn't mean you have Skinner in net. This also isn't a 1 for 1 trade based on 1 year left. This is a trade where both teams invest in those players going forward, long term.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Only on HF do you trade your best player because you need to restructure the best regular season team and second best playoff team of the season.
Agree with the people saying that goalies just don't have this kind of value. Good goalies are important, but are much less of a sure future bet than skaters. You can reasonably assume Draisaitl will prob be pretty good in 5 or 10 years. But goalies? Man, think of all the big contracts and high draft picks everyone was sure were going to be good and stay good over the last 20 years and how those have worked out. DiPietro, Fleury, Carey Price, Jonathan Quick, Bobrovsky, Bryzgalov, Ben Bishop, Braden Holtby, Rask. Injuries or underperformance made a lot of real bad goalie contracts the last 20 years, so people are going to be hesitant paying big for one.
Kegu
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Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
They got to the final four. They lost to the team that’s looking likely to win it in more games than it’s looking like the team that will most likely lose in the final two will.
HuGort
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Can't see Oil touching it. Drai 50 goals and 100 points hard to replace. Difference in games won between Skinner and Shesterkin? Some yes, but replace 50 goal scorer
Kegu
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That's definitely a take. I'm not fully convinced they were even the 2nd best in the East.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
How is that remotely controversial? They were literally final four and look likely to have given the Panthers the best series.
Kegu
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Boston also led their series against Florida, and also managed to lose 3 straight to them. It's not nearly as cut and dry as you seem to think.
