Oilers now 13-12-1: THE THREAD THAT'S FUN FOR EVERYONE

[HarrySPlinkett]

Do you think it would fix your guys issues?

It would do a lot for them, and I really don’t feel bad about that, given my team hasn’t drafted 1st overall four times in the last 15 years.

 

[AvroArrow]

Hilarious how Draisaitl has a bad stretch and is immediately considered to be overrated after outscoring anyone not named McDavid for 5 years. McDavid wasn't injured starting off the season and played worse than Draisaitl, when healthy he played worse than Draisaitl in 2/3 of their playoff games.

Draisaitl just had the worst start of a season in years, and is still just 4 points behind Matthews with one game in hand, who arguably has had the best start of a season in his career, who has functional line mates and a team that only looks half as bad as the Oilers.

McDrai are certainly not the problem.

To be fair I've been calling Draisaitl over rated for a very long time. Not just this eason. I'm just not a fan of his 5 on 5 game, or his lack of intensity on defence, or his attitude when his teams down. He pulls what Eichel did in Buffalo, teams losing he gets pissy and starts playing frustrated and takes bad penalties or makes bad plays.

To me Draisaitl on any other team would be a normal 85-95 point first line guy, but with McDavid and the insane PP usage, he gets his numbers heavily inflated. He just doesn't do enough at even strength.

You can't just rely on the powerplay to get it done.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

stats are for losers but this is wild

 

[blundluntman]

That's not what he said. He said "When (McD's linemates) aren’t on the ice with him picking up neutral zone assists they immediately regress to their norm."

Unless you believe that picking up additional neutral zone assists means you're playing better and / or improving as a player? I guess that's a decision you can make for yourself

That’s what he said initially and then pivoted when I mentioned players produced more with him. “Neutral zone assists” is one hell of an exaggeration and not even worth a rebuttal, all that says is you don’t watch oilers games.

 

[AmabileCassarole]

It would do a lot for them, and I really don’t feel bad about that, given my team hasn’t drafted 1st overall four times in the last 15 years.

Isn't there a saying about throwing stones in glass houses? Maybe the premier will spend all that taxpayer dosh on some pretty sturdy glass, though.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Another first overall pick should fix their issues.

how shook will you be when we "ruin" another 1st overall...

omg this place will melt down

Agreed, but it's really hilarious stuff. They slag everyone, really. I've read Oilers fans post about how Bettman hates Canada so much, about how the refs are out to get them, about how fans of other teams "haven't suffered" (tell that to BJs fans, their team's the Milhouse van Houten of hockey) as much as they have, about how Arizona is a blight on the league (YMMV, but I'd take it a lot more seriously from a fan of a team that doesn't waste all those first round draft picks; McDrai ain't the only wasted talents), about how Vegas and Tampa are "cheaters" (despite the shit Chicago pulled with Hossa, but they're an 06 team, so they're fine), about how they hate the NHL so much they are going to the NFL (which is arguably even worse if you want to talk about corruption and ineptitude), and so on and so forth. I know I was poking fun at the Oilers fans on here before, but honestly, they're not all bad. I know a few in real life who are pretty chill people.

It's just that the ones online, at least here, tend to be pretty extreme. Like, it's okay to admit you've grown out of hockey, folks. You don't need to throw in a bunch of conspiratorial BS.

really? you conveniently showed up here 6 days ago LOL

 

[AmabileCassarole]

really? you conveniently showed up here 6 days ago LOL

True, but I've lurked much longer than that. I decided to commit to posting because I couldn't stand how Reddit worked.

 

[LuGBuG]

They should hire Randy Carlyle

 

[Coffey]

given my team hasn’t drafted 1st overall four times in the last 15 years.

I can tell you Hall, Yak and RNH aren't gamechangers.

 

[ijuka]

stats are for losers but this is wild

How about score-adjusted? I feel like a large part of it might be simply that they're trailing alot.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

To be fair I've been calling Draisaitl over rated for a very long time. Not just this eason. I'm just not a fan of his 5 on 5 game, or his lack of intensity on defence, or his attitude when his teams down. He pulls what Eichel did in Buffalo, teams losing he gets pissy and starts playing frustrated and takes bad penalties or makes bad plays.

To me Draisaitl on any other team would be a normal 85-95 point first line guy, but with McDavid and the insane PP usage, he gets his numbers heavily inflated. He just doesn't do enough at even strength.

You can't just rely on the powerplay to get it done.

I've often wondered why Draisaitl always gets the "McDavid bump" criticism but McDavid never seems to get the "Draisaitl bump" criticism.

There seems to be this perception that Draisaitl's point totals drop 30+ points without McDavid, but McDavid's wouldn't drop at all without Draisaitl. IMO, both benefit from each other but people seem to make it seems like only Draisaitl's production is due to his linemate.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I've often wondered why Draisaitl always gets the "McDavid bump" criticism but McDavid never seems to get the "Draisaitl bump" criticism.

There seems to be this perception that Draisaitl's point totals drop 30+ points without McDavid, but McDavid's wouldn't drop at all without Draisaitl. IMO, both benefit from each other but people seem to make it seems like only Draisaitl's production is due to his linemate.

Yeah it’s weird. It’s almost like great players make other great players even better. What a crazy thought.
I think it’s mostly people who want to take shots at certain players.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

How about score-adjusted? I feel like a large part of it might be simply that they're trailing alot.

Maybe
But they have dominated the shot clock in the first period the past few games and have 1 goal

 

[blundluntman]

No, they don’t play better. I could hug the boards and have McDavid bounce pucks off my ass while racing through the neutral zone on route to his 3rd highlight reel goal of the game. Putting up a point when on ice with high scoring players does not mean you were ‘better’ that shift.

So how does a player "make their teammates better" outside of creating more opportunities for them (your example btw shows you clearly don't watch the oilers play bc that's not what happens)? You want him to lend players his energy like Naruto or something? Or is this the classic "intangibles" case where we just take people's loosely nit narratives at face value?

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

Isn't there a saying about throwing stones in glass houses? Maybe the premier will spend all that taxpayer dosh on some pretty sturdy glass, though.

So what, because Edmonton drafts 1st overall four times and completely makes a mockery of the draft process, Calgary never gets to pick 1st ever?

Makes sense.

I can tell you Hall, Yak and RNH aren't gamechangers.

Yeah, but that mutant best player on the planet is.

And it's really less about drafting once at #1, and drafting multiple times in the top-40 for 2-4 years.

That should re-stock some cupboards.

 

[Coffey]

Yeah, but that mutant best player on the planet is.

25% rate is shitty

 

[AvroArrow]

I've often wondered why Draisaitl always gets the "McDavid bump" criticism but McDavid never seems to get the "Draisaitl bump" criticism.

There seems to be this perception that Draisaitl's point totals drop 30+ points without McDavid, but McDavid's wouldn't drop at all without Draisaitl. IMO, both benefit from each other but people seem to make it seems like only Draisaitl's production is due to his linemate.

Because one guy is carrying majority of the load and makes his linemates have career years, regardless of who he's playing with.

Of course McDavid gets a bit of a bump too, but McDavid is easily the driving factor in Edmonton and he is responsible for most of their plays. There's not a single player in the NHL who has as much of an influence as him.

The biggest reason is the absurd powerplay opportunities and percentage of the Oilers. I've outlined it several times in different threads, but they get an insane amount of PP chances, largely because of McDavid. And the PP is highly efficient, largely because of McDavid. Now we remove McDavid from the team, what happens to the PP ? It takes a massive hit, thus dropping Draisaitls points.

Look at Draisaitls even strength scoring, over the last 4 years Marner has a better even strength goal per game statistic than him. He's an elite player that is a beneficiary of an insane PP being carried by McDavid. Not saying he isn't elite, but he gets his numbers inflated pretty significantly because of McDavid.

There is only 1 McDavid in the league, there are several guys who can be compared to Draisaitl and even better than Draisaitl IMO.

 

[Rubi]

Way to cherrypick a low quality screengrab from a dreary day when all the leaves have fallen. Here's a streetview from his front sidewalk on a nice day. From where his deck is the view would be gorgeous, you'd be able to see the entire river valley. I know a guy who lives a couple doors down and that area is beautiful.

Did you drive out to his house and take a pic just to defend McDavid's choice in real estate?
Its ok but certainly not spectacular and definitely not the view that one would expect a multi millionaire to have from his front door. To be honest, its rather meh.... as far as millionaire residences go. It also doesn't look that green for most of the time he's living there... which is the winter hockey season. The picture the other person posted is much more reflective of what McDavid sees every day that he's in Edmonton... and that my friend is rather depressing.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Where do you think McDavid goes in free agency? My money is on:

Boston
New York (Rangers)
LA
Toronto

I really doubt he’d sign anywhere other than these 4.

I just don't see the guy going anywhere. Maybe if the Oilers don't re-sign Draisaitl and let him walk for no return he might say to hell with it. I think he enjoys being the face of the Oilers and has enough belief in himself to make it happen there. I'll certainly be impressed with his dedication if he does stay.

 

[oldunclehue]

I just don't see the guy going anywhere. Maybe if the Oilers don't re-sign Draisaitl and let him walk for no return he might say to hell with it. I think he enjoys being the face of the Oilers and has enough belief in himself to make it happen there. I'll certainly be impressed with his dedication if he does stay.

So many factors go in to staying or going....we don't know them all. But he doesn't seem to be one who likes the limelight, he is quiet, reserved and doesn't like TV cameras. If Edmonton keeps going down this path the blame will soon be going towards the face of the franchise and that can lead to some pretty self-depressive thoughts and negative feelings towards the organization and location.

I could see him, for the sake of winning, his legacy as one of the best, his brand and future financial windfall, he might explore other options. There is no doubt he wants to win and win a cup while doing so. Is the organization doing everything it can to get there? I thought forsure in the last fe years with that team playoffs runs would be deep but it exposed their defensive liabilities and lack of depth up front. With McDavid, Draisatl, Nurse and Kane contracts, that eats up a LOT of cap space to address those issies.

It would be horrible for the Oilers to lose ANOTHER generaltional player like they did with Gretzky. But I could see it happening.

 

[Duke74]

I can confirm this is a thing. I am a brutal hockey player. One year in my bear league I was on the wing of the best player in our league (he played Junior B). I was a PPG that year (well above my usual .3-.5ppg). He scored about 2.5 points per game. Just being on the ice with him meant I was getting all sorts of touches, and you could just stand in front of the net often and bat in gimmees.

Anyone who thinks that Draisaitl, and every other player McDavid shares ice time with, isn't getting a massive boost from McDavid is being willfully blind.

McDavid is injured and Drais getting exposed because he doesn’t have McDavid carrying him.

Drais is a top 10 center in the league still, but let’s not pretend like he is the 2nd best player in the nhl like how he was projected going into the season. Hence, overrated…

Recency bias is quite the drug.

Yeah it’s weird. It’s almost like great players make other great players even better. What a crazy thought.
I think it’s mostly people who want to take shots at certain players.

It's like that on the Oilers' board too. A certain percentage of our fanbase scapegoats Draisaitl at the first sign of adversity. No wonder he's given up and mailed it in for this team.

 

[K Fleur]

You think they're gonna be contenders with this current roster, or GM/Coach in place ? All they're doing is wasting prime McDavid years and just gradually lowering his trade value. McDavid with term left is worth a kings ransom.


The land where 1st overall picks go to die

This reads like the same dorks on here who used to post nonsense like”the Pens should trade Malkin and use the assets to build around Crosby”

Big El Oh El.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

So many factors go in to staying or going....we don't know them all. But he doesn't seem to be one who likes the limelight, he is quiet, reserved and doesn't like TV cameras. If Edmonton keeps going down this path the blame will soon be going towards the face of the franchise and that can lead to some pretty self-depressive thoughts and negative feelings towards the organization and location.

I could see him, for the sake of winning, his legacy as one of the best, his brand and future financial windfall, he might explore other options. There is no doubt he wants to win and win a cup while doing so. Is the organization doing everything it can to get there? I thought forsure in the last fe years with that team playoffs runs would be deep but it exposed their defensive liabilities and lack of depth up front. With McDavid, Draisatl, Nurse and Kane contracts, that eats up a LOT of cap space to address those issies.

It would be horrible for the Oilers to lose ANOTHER generaltional player like they did with Gretzky. But I could see it happening.

There are definitely temptations for moving on. I'm not sure money will factor in as he has or will have more than he'll ever need and lets face it, the camera will be unavoidable, hes McDavid.
Either way we'll know soon enough.

 

[Galactico]

I can confirm this is a thing. I am a brutal hockey player. One year in my bear league I was on the wing of the best player in our league (he played Junior B). I was a PPG that year (well above my usual .3-.5ppg). He scored about 2.5 points per game. Just being on the ice with him meant I was getting all sorts of touches, and you could just stand in front of the net often and bat in gimmees.

Anyone who thinks that Draisaitl, and every other player McDavid shares ice time with, isn't getting a massive boost from McDavid is being willfully blind.

No, according to Oilers fans Draisaitl would have has many points has he had with the Oilers on any other NHL team. McDavid has not contributed to a single Draisatl point and even if he did, Draisaitl would have scored anyway.

 

[AvroArrow]

This reads like the same dorks on here who used to post nonsense like”the Pens should trade Malkin and use the assets to build around Crosby”

Big El Oh El.

Pittsburgh actually had a goaltender and a solid core of vets and D-men.

The Oilers don't have a Letang, Fleury, Kunitz, Talbot, Guerin, Gonchar.

This reads like someone who is getting extremely sensitive. And I really don't know why. Also Draisaitl isn't even close to what prime Geno was.

The surrounding guys overall are horrendous, there are horrible contracts all across the roster, the defence is horrible and they literally have the worst goaltending in the entire league and are sitting in last.