Post-Game Talk: Oilers lose 4-0 to Coyotes

[Raab]

You guys are funny. I mean what's wrong with Remenda? Sure you might not like him, but the guy is alright at his job, and he's not arrogant like Stauffer or Tencer before he was fired.

As for the team I think it's easy to say our "core" has been overrated for a long time. They have a lot of skill but most of our 1st overalls aren't on the same level as Tavares, Stamkos, Kane, Crosby. I don't mind keeping them but Im not super scared of trading them at this point.

Also we really, really need to add two dmen with big point shots who can put it on net. It was ridiculous how low Arizona stayed during the PK. They basically abandoned the points because they know we have no threat from there and cheated down low. Gave our forwards nothing to work with the whole game.

 

[bzur]

Haven't heard that from him.

Just tonight, Kassian got a penalty for lightly tapping an opponent with his stick and Remenda was quick to point it out as a bad call.

Same play Stauffer sounded exasperated as he kept saying "oh you can't take that penalty" "kassian absolutely cannot be taking that penalty there" as if he gave him a full on 2 hand whack or something stupid.. wasn't until I asked my friend who saw the play (I was listening on the radio on the way to his house) that I found out it was a bs call on the play.

I really don't like listening to Remenda and wonder when we stopped being allowed to talk about anyone but the other team but listening to the clowns on the radio is so much worse.

 

[Throttlehead]

You think the difference between 4% PP and say even 16-17% PP is just a "good point shot"? There is more than one PP system that exists and there are certainly teams without a great point shot who still have a functional PP.

4% is below garbage and it's systemic.

So why did Nelson have it running at close to 25% with the same players plus McDavid? If you mean system from standpoint of not running the PP in a normal fashion, then yes I agree, if you say its players up front, I disagree completely.

 

[Raab]

Same play Stauffer sounded exasperated as he kept saying "oh you can't take that penalty" "kassian absolutely cannot be taking that penalty there" as if he gave him a full on 2 hand whack or something stupid.. wasn't until I asked my friend who saw the play (I was listening on the radio on the way to his house) that I found out it was a bs call on the play.

I really don't like listening to Remenda and wonder when we stopped being allowed to talk about anyone but the other team but listening to the clowns on the radio is so much worse.

One of the weakest calls I've seen in awhile. I'm not sure what the officials were thinking there. Maybe just trying to get control of the game.

 

[Blitzago*]

Uh, are you fricken kidding me? I think the teenager is not held to the same standard as a 6 year vet, yes, a vet. Do you know what a veteran is? He's the longest tenured Oiler on our team, he is a vet whether you wanna acknowledge that or not.

Shame on you comparing a rookie phenom to the same standard as these 6 million per year no shows. McDavid single handedly won us our last game, by his damn self. When did Hall do that?

And I don't give a **** about Stamkos and MSL, and I don't feel bad for this rotten core. They have been given ample time to improve and they have failed. Stamkos has seen playoffs and stanley cup finals without any excuses when Hedman went down and MSL was on the decline.

Hall got hit because his situational awareness is ****. If you ever played a lick of ice hockey at a high level you'd get that, but it's okay if you haven't. I'm here to inform.

Btw, Hall is not elite.

Elite players don't finish with 60 points in a last place season.

Hall is elite, whether you like to think so or not.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Every time I think of Mike Smith, I think of that play when they were in the midst of their tank battle with the Sabres/Oilers where he jumped over the puck to avoid a save.

That was the funniest and most entertaining stretch of hockey I've had in recent years over those final few weeks last season.... just from reading the various tank threads on each of the team boards.

 

[Throttlehead]

Amd enough with the no defence excuse. If you don't like the defence adress it and acquire somebody note worty with Hall and/or Ebs instead of *****ing. You want a dman, you trade a valuable piece for one. You're not gonna get it for free and our development of dman over the past 20 years suggests he's not gonna come from within.

Yeah no defence is not an excuse...hahah

Have you seen what is left on the wings when you trade Hall and Eberle for a dman? The misplaced anger about the "rotten core" is just that. When have the Oilers EVER had any experienced quality vets on the team to support the young draftees, I can think of one...Ryan Smyth. Everyone thought once we draft some first overalls it would translate to automatic wins. With the way this organization changed coaches, hired dumbass GMs, drafted, etc its no surprise where we are at. There is still zero depth on the team.

Down the middle 19, 20, 22 years old.

Noteworthy veterans, Hendricks, Pouliot, Letestu?

Four of our defencemen in the game tonight were callups from the AHL and the 5th spent time in the AHL this year. Is it a valid excuse, interpret as you wish.

 

[thadd]

I worked while this game was playing... so I figure we can give Hopkins another game to get back into things... but if nothing works he's back in front of Eberle for priority of trade.


You know reading the comments in this thread it's kinda scary thinking that there are so many people who think that Hall, Hopkins and Eberle need to go for us to get the poison out of our dressing room when the three of them and Schultz were accused of being in their own club a few seasons ago.

May as well trade Yakupov as well.

So we're looking for a top pairing d-man. A PP specialist who is a #4/#5/#6... both of those d-men should be right handed.

We're looking for a shut down center with a little offensive upside.
We're looking for a few scoring wingers.
We're looking for 2 bottom 6 wingers.

That's like 7 guys...

 

[Originally Posted By*]

Hall is elite, whether you like to think so or not.

Never scored 30 goals.
Scored more than 60 points only once in 6 years.
Playoff-less in 6 seasons (longest of a first overall in the 2000's)
Well below average hockey IQ / hands
...

Elite?

 

[KCC]

I agree. Its primarily misdirected frustration.

I dont mind Remenda...at least he tries to add some color to the broadcast.

As for the game...more evidence of a broken team and a broken culture.


Chiarelli has much work to do.

Yeah, I also agree. I like Remenda, but I'm not going to tell people otherwise if they don't. I'm just sharing my opinion about him. I do feel that if the team gets better that most will forget about him and focus on the team again.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I worked while this game was playing... so I figure we can give Hopkins another game to get back into things... but if nothing works he's back in front of Eberle for priority of trade.


You know reading the comments in this thread it's kinda scary thinking that there are so many people who think that Hall, Hopkins and Eberle need to go for us to get the poison out of our dressing room when the three of them and Schultz were accused of being in their own club a few seasons ago.

May as well trade Yakupov as well.

So we're looking for a top pairing d-man. A PP specialist who is a #4/#5/#6... both of those d-men should be right handed.

We're looking for a shut down center with a little offensive upside.
We're looking for a few scoring wingers.
We're looking for 2 bottom 6 wingers.

That's like 7 guys...

Patience. We've only been looking for those types of payers for 9 years. We'll get them eventually.


I just know we will...

 

[Throttlehead]

I think you mean minus McDavid. And minus Draisaitl too.
...'

Actually I worded it wrong, I meant plus we have McDavid this year over what Nelson had...sorry about that.

 

[EuroTide]

some games you just know half way through it that they wont score one ..

 

[McDraekke]

Never scored 30 goals.
Scored more than 60 points only once in 6 years.
Playoff-less in 6 seasons (longest of a first overall in the 2000's)
Well below average hockey IQ / hands
...

Elite?

How can you continue to argue the same thing every day again and again with so many people arguing against you?

Hall is Elite. But keep coming up with reasons as to why he's not.

I was at the game, and I'm super pissed at the officiating. Breaking up that fight at the end was super lame. The fans were just about to get excited about something, and the team needed a shot in the arm (though it was a bit late for that, but still). Giving all three players misconducts was a joke, the double "unsportsmanlikes" earlier in the game seemed again a way to control things. It's like they had an agenda to keep things calm and collected on Canadian Armed Forces Night.

 

[viran45]

Power play was horrible and Reffing was brutal.

Time to separate hall and mcdavid, not because they haven't built chemistry but because they both need the puck to be successful. I would like to see hall and RNH together as they can both handle tough competition. I would run lines of

Hall RNH Korp
Kass. McD. Yak
Maroon Leon. Eberle

Could also switch Leon and RNH. But I think this gives two lines each a driver and the "third" line two big bodies that can cycle with a sniper.

 

[McDrai]

Reunite Hall/RNH/Drai and McD/Yak and all will be well. Oh, and have 6 healthy NHL level defencemen instead of 1 or 2

 

[viran45]

Never scored 30 goals.
Scored more than 60 points only once in 6 years.
Playoff-less in 6 seasons (longest of a first overall in the 2000's)
Well below average hockey IQ / hands
...

Elite?

I disagree career 0.86 ppg, one of the best 5x5 producers in the league top 5 in his position. All Infront of some of the worst d and goaltending in the league. Takes more than one player to get the team into the playoffs. I agree he can be frustrating at times but when a team constantly loses every bad play a player makes is magnified. Just my opinion

 

[iCanada]

Haha.

Todd MacLellan seemed right pissed off in his post game.

http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=944983&catid=4

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Haha.

Todd MacLellan seemed right pissed off in his post game.

http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=944983&catid=4

Finish them!!!

 

[BlackDogg]

Is woodcroft seriously going to be here next year? If so, we got issues. Has Letestu really been on the PP for 20 games already?

And how long till Hall gets off McDavid's line, its obviously not ideal and not going to work long-term. Is Todd that stubborn, really? Shouldn't he be showcasing Yak if anything?

 

[Tarus]

I'm sure Mclellan is just disappointed that the team didn't provide Letestu with enough support on the powerplay

 

[Replacement*]

Result wasn't really all that strange. Oilers gave up easily 10 oddman rushes in a WC NHL game. An absolutely shocking number and regardless of injury, regardless of who you have in the lineup the whole team deserves to get hit upside the head with a 2X4 for that pathetic lack of attention to detail.

Its really simple. Give up 10 oddman rushes in a game and you lose almost all the time. Play a game like that and in the same game theres going to be negligible attention to coverage, positioning, assignments etc.

LMFAO multiple times in this game Sekera is at offensive blueline and doesn't read that two opponents are behind him and he's making another bad pinch. Doesn't even read situation. With our depleted D he should be our #1 guy right now and instead he's this.

But picture this. On a night that the Oilers cheated for offense all night they got zero goals. We pinched endlessly, got caught and burned on that so many times, and we still produce nothing. Our penchant for cheating cost us countless scoring chances against and 4 goals on counters but got us zero results.

People will look at shots and say "Hey Smith played a great game" but this is textbook how to lose hockey games in the WC. Yotes played a smart game just waiting for us to breakdown and worked that all night. Smart road game. The Oilers have seen this game 100's of times and looked surprised by it.

 

[BlackDogg]

Result wasn't really all that strange. Oilers gave up easily 10 oddman rushes in a WC NHL game. An absolutely shocking number and regardless of injury, regardless of who you have in the lineup the whole team deserves to get hit upside the head with a 2X4 for that pathetic lack of attention to detail.

Its really simple. Give up 10 oddman rushes in a game and you lose almost all the time. Play a game like that and in the same game theres going to be negligible attention to coverage, positioning, assignments etc.

LMFAO multiple times in this game Sekera is at offensive blueline and doesn't read that two opponents are behind him and he's making another bad pinch. Doesn't even read situation. With our depleted D he should be our #1 guy right now and instead he's this.

But picture this. On a night that the Oilers cheated for offense all night they got zero goals. We pinched endlessly, got caught and burned on that so many times, and we still produce nothing. Our penchant for cheating cost us countless scoring chances against and 4 goals on counters but got us zero results.

People will look at shots and say "Hey Smith played a great game" but this is textbook how to lose hockey games in the WC. Yotes played a smart game just waiting for us to breakdown and worked that all night. Smart road game. The Oilers have seen this game 100's of times and looked surprised by it.

And lets not forget, all of this with the Coyotes having played the night before. This has happened a lot lately where the Oilers cannot take advantage of back-to-back game teams. Feel sorry for the Armed Forces people who had to bear through this - maybe they got to leave early.

 

[Replacement*]

OK, start his heart again, I wanna see something.

Jordan Eberle. sorry, where are you?

A guy plays like a kid in a candy store for 6 games nabbing 7G 3A 10Pts in first 6GP with McJesus. You could just see how much Ebs wanted it, was elevating his play, and wanted to stick. But knowingly you wondered how many games in the gas tank would Eberle expend this much energy trying to keep up.

Do we have our answer? Eberle has 2 goals in last 15Gp. 1 in the last 10games. He doesn't have a single point in the last 5GP. Completely held off the sheet.

In all this time the player is loaded with topsix minutes with the clubs best players and is constantly on first unit PP on a PP which has been LOADED for him to succeed.

nothing.


Man does this guy run hot and cold.

 

[Jakey53]

Like the celebration from Mike Smith. You're a ****ing clown buddy.

I'm not a Mike Smith fan in any stretch of the imagination, but he just played his first game in over three months because of injury and got a shot out. I think anyone would celebrate like that.