Oilers interested in hiring Mike Babcock

[NeverForget06]

McDiver has done nothing on and off the ice that indicates he is a real man. We do not need more gutless floppers who refuse to backcheck and throw tantrums when they are called out for it.

Your “real man” schtick is so pathetic

 

[VainGretzky]

So the NHLPA is holding onto receipts to be sure Babcock never gets hired?

Oiler fans are hoping he is not reinstated

 

[VainGretzky]

Stauffer works for the oilers and he is spinning, Some believe everything he says. I think he just buying time for 12 months until the oilers can sign him or trade him, If teams know he wont sign with the oilers? They may just bide their time till he is a UFA

I have a feeling McDavid will own a little chunk of the Oilers when his career is done

 

[Voight]

This is becoming a huge debacle. If - as reported - it's happening because McDavid wanted it to, the fallout is on him.

They said team leaders, so you can assume McDavid, Draisaitl and Nurse are OK with it. Probably Hyman and Bouchard too.

 

[bucks_oil]

I'm a bit sceptical based on two fronts:

- If there was something even more egregious, maybe Babcock himself would know not to try and get back in the game
- Surely we would've heard rumours about this stuff during all these years, and there has been nothing

UNLESS, there was a specific incident with a specific player, and said player talked to the NHLPA about his experiences at the time, but to nobody else.

I expect, even intend, for this to create some chortles and guffaws.... but maybe the Oilers are actually playing 4D chess here.

1) The whole NHL world already knows whatever it was that got Babs to resign... players talk.
2) Oilers want Cassidy
3) Cassidy wants Oilers
4) Vegas don't want any of that and are are overplaying a very new rule that said there is no "automatic" compensation if you hire a coach while they are still on "garden leave" / non-working severance of their contract...
5) Just like with their F'n rulebook, the NHL and Bettman and their crap lawyers can't articulate what they ACTUALLY meant, which was... we won't arbitrate these coaching situations, negotiate amongst yourselves, but DON'T keep good coaches out of the game after you've moved on... (and yeah, I DO expect the Coaches Association to eventually sue NHL and Vegas if this doesn't resolve soon)
6) Now the NHL is FORCED to deny the Oilers yet another coaching option...
7) Oilers gain NHL advocacy... McD is still an NHL product and the best player in the game... this can't drag out forever. Bad look.
8) Vegas, having finished the SCF finally are compelled to negotiate
9) Oilers end up paying a 2nd and get Cassidy, just like we did for Chiarelli which was part of the reason they changed the rules in the first place

 

[syz]

They said team leaders, so you can assume McDavid, Draisaitl and Nurse are OK with it. Probably Hyman and Bouchard too.

Grain of salt but I've seen it suggested that Hyman was doing a lot of the lobbying and got the "leadership" on board. Apparently had a positive relationship with Babcock, and as of last week Michael Babcock (Mike Babcock's son) is the new head coach of the Brantford Bulldogs, who Hyman owns? Has investment in? Idk.

edit: Yea, Hyman purchased the Bulldogs last January and his brother is currently the GM.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Oh boy. I guess you haven't been keeping up with pro sports.
It has been drilled into the brains of all athletes that the teams they play for show no loyalty at all.
Because of this, it is logically, and financially stupid to show loyalty to the teams.

Vegas is the prime example of this where Marchy wins the Smythe and is unceremoniously let go....



If this is the case, then it is extremely likely that Babs committed a crime.

A person operating in a role of power over another, invading their privacy in a way that made the subject uncomfortable, and then using the information gained to punish or as basis for punishment, IS a crime.



There was an investigation.
Babcock resigned, and therefore had no further interaction with the people represented by the PA. The NHL chise to not pursue the investigation any further at the time because the PA didn't really have standing anymore - the subject of the investigation was no longer affiliated with anyone under the protection of the PA.

You’ve been lawyering it up in this thread for the last few pages. Why?

This is a matter between league and PA. There’s no suggestion of anything criminal or civil.

 

[AvroArrow]

Grain of salt but I've seen it suggested that Hyman was doing a lot of the lobbying and got the "leadership" on board. Apparently had a positive relationship with Babcock, and as of last week Michael Babcock (Mike Babcock's son) is the new head coach of the Brantford Bulldogs, who Hyman owns? Has investment in? Idk.

In Toronto we used to joke that Hyman is Babcocks son, with how he used to deploy Hyman vs the other players. They had a great relationship.

 

[syz]

In Toronto we used to joke that Hyman is Babcocks son, with how he used to deploy Hyman vs the other players. They had a great relationship.

It's the only road that really makes sense to me tbh. The Oilers core wants a coach who can do some yelling and screaming for them. They're not allowed to hire Cassidy so Hyman was probably just like "well I know a guy..."

Maybe somebody else on the team has Sutter's number.

 

[Voight]

I wonder what ends first..

The 'investigation' into Babcock

OR

Cassidy becoming available which is so such an obviously better choice

Also, it leaks that they are ditching Knob and they didn't even have a replacement in mind.lol

Jarry remains our starter.

Cossa rumours have not panned out.

Nurse still here.

Only thing for certain is that Knob is shitcanned after back to back finals and being too nice a guy. Let's fine a real piece of shit to get these guys to play right!

Let's not look at the roster the idiot GM has assembled and their shortcomings to play that kind of hockey. No, let's fire the coach and find a meaner coach to make them playing like something they are not.

We constantly get the wrong player and then blame McD/Drai/Bouch/current coach.

Skinner wasn't a starter
Ceci wasn't a top 2RD on a cup contender
Nurse taking 9.5M to be a 2LD
Frederic and whatever they expect from him
Jarry and whatever they expect from him

The coach has never been the issue. It's always been the GM and the GM is now pursuing Babcock when aboslutely no one else is. He's legit fighting to get tot the front of a 1 team line to win a bidding war to sign the man.

f*** BOWMAN

Cassidy will not become available for Edmonton. Vegas isn't going to change their mind on that.

 

[Voight]

Did he get to collect any of the CBJ deal?
He resigned rather than get relieved of duties.

I know he collected every penny of the Toronto deal before signing with the Blue Jackets.

If he truly thought he had been aggrieved by the hooplah around his resignation, he would have sued for breach of contract (against the team and/or league), or libel/slander (against all the people who cost him the contract).
He did neither in order to avoid the investigation into his conduct.

Ive read that he got some sort of financial settlement, I dont know if coaches get paid during the off season but if they do, then he had a couple months of pay before resigning.

 

[BigBoss614]

They said team leaders, so you can assume McDavid, Draisaitl and Nurse are OK with it. Probably Hyman and Bouchard too.

Or they haven't been told what the actual issue is.

If it was never made public, there's a good chance they don't know either.

 

[Voight]

Or they haven't been told what the actual issue is.

If it was never made public, there's a good chance they don't know either.

Possible, but they could easily call one of the guys on that Columbus roster and find out. I'd like to think they did that, seeing as the team needs to nail this coaching hire.

 

[Deranged Oreo]

I expect, even intend, for this to create some chortles and guffaws.... but maybe the Oilers are actually playing 4D chess here.

1) The whole NHL world already knows whatever it was that got Babs to resign... players talk.
2) Oilers want Cassidy
3) Cassidy wants Oilers
4) Vegas don't want any of that and are are overplaying a very new rule that said there is no "automatic" compensation if you hire a coach while they are still on "garden leave" / non-working severance of their contract...
5) Just like with their F'n rulebook, the NHL and Bettman and their crap lawyers can't articulate what they ACTUALLY meant, which was... we won't arbitrate these coaching situations, negotiate amongst yourselves, but DON'T keep good coaches out of the game after you've moved on... (and yeah, I DO expect the Coaches Association to eventually sue NHL and Vegas if this doesn't resolve soon)
6) Now the NHL is FORCED to deny the Oilers yet another coaching option...
7) Oilers gain NHL advocacy... McD is still an NHL product and the best player in the game... this can't drag out forever. Bad look.
8) Vegas, having finished the SCF finally are compelled to negotiate
9) Oilers end up paying a 2nd and get Cassidy, just like we did for Chiarelli which was part of the reason they changed the rules in the first place

You do realize the Coaches Association has no connection to the NHL? They can’t just sue for nothing

 

[BigBoss614]

Possible, but they could easily call one of the guys on that Columbus roster and find out. I'd like to think they did that, seeing as the team needs to nail this coaching hire.

Maybe, if something personal happened to someone on the team that they didn't want to get out, that's not something they are just going to share just because.

 

[Voight]

Maybe, if something personal happened to someone on the team that they didn't want to get out, that's not something they are just going to share just because.

They'd surely want to warn their fellow players, one of whom is the face of the league.

 

[BigBoss614]

They'd surely want to warn their fellow players, one of whom is the face of the league.

Or the NHLPA couldve told them not to talk about it.

We just don't know. You can speculate but we don't know how severe it is. It was enough that it was kept quiet and he was fired before the season even started in an embarrassing fashion. This doesn't seem like something that's just swept under the rug. If the NHLPA are involved I don't think it's as simple as "well Mcdavid is fine with it so it's okay"

 

[T REX]

Is Bob Stauffers rumor of McD signing a 7 year contract credible?

It doesn’t make a lick of sense to me ( after signing a team friendly 2 year deal) .Why would he commit the rest of his career to a team that is obviously flawed, and is not getting any younger.?..Not to mention the GM has a problem identifying the right players?

McD has earned his right to move on to a different team.

At this point I blame McDavid for everything that befalls him. It's like staying with a spouse that has repeatedly cheated on you. Giving up salary for a crappy spouse? His handlers should all be fired immediately. Get new representation and he should ask out of EDM ASAP. He has a low IQ off the ice IMHO. Staying in a broken relationship and then that stupid contract? He has a fallen a notch or two IMHO for putting himself in this position. Yes, he is now 100% to blame. EDM is just being EDM. It's a circus led by Bowman. And he is staying in said circus, so he's just another clown at this point. 100% on MCD. Sorry but if you stay in a bad relationship/bad situation at some point it's on you.

 

[GKJ]

This is becoming a huge debacle. If - as reported - it's happening because McDavid wanted it to, the fallout is on him.

It’s happening because Daryl Katz wants it to

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Is Bob Stauffers rumor of McD signing a 7 year contract credible?

It doesn’t make a lick of sense to me ( after signing a team friendly 2 year deal) .Why would he commit the rest of his career to a team that is obviously flawed, and is not getting any younger.?..Not to mention the GM has a problem identifying the right players?

McD has earned his right to move on to a different team.

I'm going to say it's not credible since he isn't eligible to sign an extension until July 1 2027.

 

[syz]

I'm going to say it's not credible since he isn't eligible to sign an extension until July 1 2027.

Stauffer's quote was something along the lines of "expect a 7 year McDavid extension next July."

He's as credible as an Oilers media mouthpiece can be, but a lot can change in a year.

 

[pcruz]

You’ve been lawyering it up in this thread for the last few pages. Why?

This is a matter between league and PA. There’s no suggestion of anything criminal or civil.

Because that's the world I work in, professionally.

Just because nothing has been referred to the authorities doesn't mean there isn't merit to doing so.

If you steal a ream of paper at work and get caught, it's entirely likely that you get fired for cause, and the conpany doesn't deem it worthy of notifying the police.

Doesn't mean you didn't break the law.


If, instead, you stole $50 via wire fraud as a joke, you could also get fired for cause, but now you have committed a crime. Again, its entirely possible or even likely that the company not involve the police for a measely sum of $50....



See how there could be 2 separate infractions involving 2 different judicial branches (internal within the organization, and external with the police and courts) simultaneously, and that one deems referral to the other not necessary.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Because that's the world I work in, professionally.

Just because nothing has been referred to the authorities doesn't mean there isn't merit to doing so.

If you steal a ream of paper at work and get caught, it's entirely likely that you get fired for cause, and the conpany doesn't deem it worthy of notifying the police.

Doesn't mean you didn't break the law.


If, instead, you stole $50 via wire fraud as a joke, you could also get fired for cause, but now you have committed a crime. Again, its entirely possible or even likely that the company not involve the police for a measely sum of $50....



See how there could be 2 separate infractions involving 2 different judicial branches (internal within the organization, and external with the police and courts) simultaneously, and that one deems referral to the other not necessary.

Literally nothing that has come out publicly regarding Babcock comes anywhere close to a criminal matter. Like not even the same universe.

 

[pcruz]

Literally nothing that has come out publicly regarding Babcock comes anywhere close to a criminal matter. Like not even the same universe.

I guess thats true.

If he didn't force players to show him the contents of their personal devices, and then use his position as head coach to coerce them into doing so.

That's true, I guess.

But if he did, then you're wrong.

 

[olafsson]

Is Bob Stauffers rumor of McD signing a 7 year contract credible?

It doesn’t make a lick of sense to me ( after signing a team friendly 2 year deal) .Why would he commit the rest of his career to a team that is obviously flawed, and is not getting any younger.?..Not to mention the GM has a problem identifying the right players?

McD has earned his right to move on to a different team.

Not credible at all. A lot can happen in 2 years. Edmonton could turn into first round fodder and I doubt McDavid will want to stay with a loser. I don’t even think McDavid himself knows what his plan is. I think he’s taking the wait and see approach. Stauffer is full of it