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Oilers hype: Is HF buying in on a 2024 run?

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hangman005 said:
Look to be fair the most significant change we made personal wise wasn't on the ice, but getting rid of Debeor was a huge step forward, followed by signing Cassidy, even if we still get a period off a game to still go golfing. :laugh:
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In the end, who cares? They won a cup. lol. We all wish our teams did
 
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oXo Cube said:
The Oilers didn't lose to Vegas because of depth scoring. They lost because Draisaitl got lit up to the tune of 4-9 ES(1-6 after game 3) despite the fact that he enjoyed a 58-42 percent scoring chance share in those minutes. Basically anyone that Edmonton matched up against Eichel got wrecked.

Vegas got good goaltending and Edmonton got the opposite which is fair play in a playoff series and it's also fair play to question Edmonton's goalies going forward given that they're running back the same tandem.
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The Oilers own coach costed them the series due to poor decisions. Like starting Skinner game after game despite being pulled multiple times and Jack Campbell was playing out of his mind for the very short what 20 minutes that he saw in the series?

But game 4 was the series, had Edmonton been able to protect the two goal lead and go home with a 3-1 series lead it would have been a different story.
 
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SeanMoneyHands said:
The Oilers own coach costed them the series due to poor decisions. Like starting Skinner game after game despite being pulled multiple times and Jack Campbell was playing out of his mind for the very short what 20 minutes that he saw in the series?

But game 4 was the series, had Edmonton been able to protect the two goal lead and go home with a 3-1 series lead it would have been a different story.
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They were good and then took penalty after penalty. They shit the bed at that point. That was a big turning point

All of this talk now is to see if they learned anything?

Will McDavid and Drai change their games? Will the goaltending be better? They are talking the talk. We have to see if they walk the walk

The pressure is on them, but I trust them to perform

This sounds like Gretzky to me. He said they had to learn how to win. This is the first year I have heard both of these guys speak about how they have to learn to win

Ekholm said the same. "You can't just go get 60 goals". You have to learn to spend up to 60 seconds in your zone"
 
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mkatcherin00 said:
They were good and then took penalty after penalty. They shit the bed at that point. That was a big turning point

All of this talk now is to see if they learned anything?

Will McDavid and Drai change their games? Will the goaltending be better? They are talking the talk. We have to see if they walk the walk

The pressure is on them, but I trust them to perform

This sounds like Gretzky to me. He said they had to learn how to win. This is the first year I have heard both of these guys speak about how they have to learn to win

Ekholm said the same. "You can't just go get 60 goals". You have to learn to spend up to 60 seconds in your zone"
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The playoffs is a roller coaster full of ups and downs. Can't get too high after a win and can't get too low after a loss, have to be neutral all throughout. And that's where it's up to the team's captain and leaders to speak up and make sure that everyone stays on the rails mentally when things go south.

A championship team regroups and recharges when given the opportunity to prevent things from getting out of hand to a point where the series is out of reach. Oilers haven't shown the ability to do this in the McDavid era....at least not in the playoffs.
 
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oXo Cube said:
The Oilers didn't lose to Vegas because of depth scoring. They lost because Draisaitl got lit up to the tune of 4-9 ES(1-6 after game 3) despite the fact that he enjoyed a 58-42 percent scoring chance share in those minutes. Basically anyone that Edmonton matched up against Eichel got wrecked.

Vegas got good goaltending and Edmonton got the opposite which is fair play in a playoff series and it's also fair play to question Edmonton's goalies going forward given that they're running back the same tandem.
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I can't say Vegas got good goaltending overall, they did play good defense though.
 
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oXo Cube said:
The Oilers didn't lose to Vegas because of depth scoring. They lost because Draisaitl got lit up to the tune of 4-9 ES(1-6 after game 3) despite the fact that he enjoyed a 58-42 percent scoring chance share in those minutes. Basically anyone that Edmonton matched up against Eichel got wrecked.

Vegas got good goaltending and Edmonton got the opposite which is fair play in a playoff series and it's also fair play to question Edmonton's goalies going forward given that they're running back the same tandem.
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It was a combination of those things. Vegas’ depth played a big role and Edmontons supporting cast like RNH and Kane who are paid to be difference makers didn’t do near enough. Plus the Oiler stars need to commit to D like the Vegas stars such as Eichel and Stone did.

As Draisaitl himself said:

Leon Draisaitl acknowledged there was a reason he and the Edmonton Oilers lost to the Vegas Golden Knights in the playoffs last season. Asked what stood about the team that eliminated them and went on to win the Stanley Cup, one thing came to the German star's mind.

“They’re deep,” Draisaitl said. “They have four lines that they can roll against any line out there.”


And that’s only the forwards. The D and goalie positions were also deep.
 
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bambamcam4ever said:
I can't say Vegas got good goaltending overall, they did play good defense though.
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Adin Hill played very well in relief for Brossait and he got the job done. The biggest thing was that he was consistent and never really had a stinker.

There's no way that Vegas wins the cup with Laurent Brossait in net. Brossaits play was declining fast in the Oilers series. Oilers lit him up like a Xmas tree. His injury was a blessing in disguise for Vegas.

Vegas caught a break and Hill just happened to catch fire at the right time.
 
Luigi Lemieux said:
They're not too differently built from the 2009 penguins. Just need to avoid a few teams (Colorado and Vegas) and get some favorable matchups.

Pens that year managed to avoid Boston and NJ, who imo they would have lost to. And got a beat up Detroit in the finals.

Right now Edmonton's an "if everything goes right" type of contender. Not a "will destroy anyone in their path" contender.
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I really like the framing of this.

Matchups DO matter, and it's a big reason why Cinderella runs seem to happen regularly.
 
Sticksandsun said:
It's just fake hype. Publications putting Canadian teams high gets people to buy subscriptions or views or social media engagement. Edmonton is not winning anything with Skinner/Campbell. Edmonton has not shown any ability to get over the hump. It's just like the Leafs, they'll be ranked in top 5 Cup odds every year the next decade even though we all know the Coyotes probably have better odds at winning a Cup than that core.

Difference between Leafs and Oilers is Leafs have probably the best team in the league and just choke year after year, Oilers have McJesus and Drai but honestly the team around them is just bad. They can only do so much. McDavid is turning 27 this year. At 27 Gretzky had won 3 Cups and was traded to LA that off-season. It's criminal he hasn't even won a game past the 2nd round yet. Huge waste.
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Honestly, this analysis is just....bad.

The Oilers bottom 6 was all in the plus column last year outside of Puljujarvi funny enough and some were heavily in the plus column so, no, the Oilers weren't a bad team with McDavid and Draisaitl off the ice. That's just some nonsensical HF narrative created because... lolz, the Oilers are McDrai and nothing else.

With that said, I'm not buying them as a Cup favorite but I just wanted to put that nonsense to bed that the Oilers are a "bad" team with McDrai off the ice.
The biggest issue besides goaltending in the playoffs is that Ceci is playing on a top pairing against top competition. Until that's fixed, I can't see them winning a Cup.
Also of note that it was the Draisaitl line that got whooped in the Vegas series, not the depth players.
 
daver said:
If they cannot consistently separate McDrai at ES to create offensive depth, then why would this year being any different than the past?
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Umm, they were split and had offensive depth throughout the lineup last season. Yet more HF mythical nonsense.
 
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CupofOil said:
Umm, they were split and had offensive depth throughout the lineup last season. Yet more HF mythical nonsense.
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Where did you get this information from? And wherever you did, change the data from "Regular Season' to "Playoffs" and see what happens.
 
Three On Zero said:
Woodcroft needs to learn from some of his mistakes last season as well, the man thought he was the smartest person in the rink and it ultimately cost him. He couldn’t adapt to the situation that was in front of him and just kept trying the same thing over and over again. Campbell looked good enough to start when Skinner was getting shelled but he refused to make their switch
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You have thousands of posts on here. Why did you wait so long to post something that makes sense?
 
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CupofOil said:
Umm, they were split and had offensive depth throughout the lineup last season. Yet more HF mythical nonsense.
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Fellow Oilers fan here - he's not exactly wrong.

All three of Kane, Nuge, and Hyman looked off in the series vs Vegas. It's tough to win a round when your entire cast of top-6 wingers goes cold.
 
Why would anyone care about hype in potentially winning the Cup when the season hasn't even started yet? It means absolutely nothing. I will get excited if they actually win the Cup, who cares about hype or predictions.
 
"Oilers are just McDrai"

bro Hyman posted 83 points, RNH is 100+, Kane would have been 35+35 if healthy, we got Bouchard/Ekholm/Nurse (although overpaid), we dumped the most useless top 6 player in Yamamoto and upgraded there with Connor Brown. our bottom 6 wasn't outscored last year and is better this year.

what more do you want? should we tank for another first? go for Makar? tf
 
daver said:
Where did you get this information from? And wherever you did, change the data from "Regular Season' to "Playoffs" and see what happens.
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Yes, the Draisaitl line got caved in the Vegas series but by and large throughout the entirety of the season, the Oilers had scoring all throughout the lineup when McDrai was together or split from lines 1-4. I don't expect the Draisaitl line to be that bad in the next playoff run (and it was really only the Vegas series).

As I said in the previous post, Cody Ceci playing a tough minute role is what ultimately doomed them in the Vegas series (and Nurse not being able to carry a much lesser Dman) backstopped by a goalie who didn't bail him and Nurse out.
 
Steven Toast said:
Because its easily the busiest thread on the main page since it was started.
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That also includes a lot of oilers fans engaging as well. People are discussing a hockey team on a hockey discussion forum. The thread literally addresses the entire site, lol.
 
CupofOil said:
Yes, the Draisaitl line got caved in the Vegas series but by and large throughout the entirety of the season, the Oilers had scoring all throughout the lineup when McDrai was together or split from lines 1-4. I don't expect the Draisaitl line to be that bad in the next playoff run (and it was really only the Vegas series).

As I said in the previous post, Cody Ceci playing a tough minute role is what ultimately doomed them in the Vegas series (and Nurse not being able to carry a much lesser Dman) backstopped by a goalie who didn't bail him and Nurse out.
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Wasn't Ceci something like -8 in the series. That number would be bad during a 4 round playoff run and epically bad in a 6 game series.
 
Vikingstad said:
For everyone saying goaltending isn't good enough, who called Adin Hill backstopping the cup winning team last year? My guess is nobody. Goalies are a crapshoot.

Depth is a bigger issue which they have slowly improved, yet to see how it fairs though.
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Do you really think Hill was the reason Vegas won the cup? Or are you conveniently ignoring the defensive depth in front of him? Defensive depth that Edmonton does not have.
 
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