I agree.Why does it take rehab for a grown ass adult to know that the rape of a 19 year old by his staff is wrong? f*** Stan bowman
Yes, this isn’t new news
That’s on Holland. One stupid contract doesn’t force you to sign another.People do realize also bowman is responsible for nurse contact right?it was the deal he gave Jones that had nurse and his agent salivating at the mouth after lolol
It might not be new news, but it’s definitely fake newsYes, this isn’t new news
That “productive conversation” lead to them working together. Beach invited Bowman to come work with his current team. Beach is with the Trinity Western Hockey team right now.What was exactly said between Kyle and Stan? We really dont know. "having a productive conversation" as stan bowman put it doesnt sound like a ringing endorsement. Either way we can never really know, what that conversation was like. John Doe 2 also seems to not have forgiven him.
Reading other survivor stories, a lot of them HAVE to forgive and move on, or else it destroys them inside out. I am very glad Kyle Beach found his peace and found grace to forgive Stan Bowman. I am happy for both Kyle and Stan in that regard. But if people generally are having a moral quandry about this, that is very much fair and their given right. That doesnt make them a virtue signaler or some type of grandstander. Thats a very fair thing to feel
What kind of dumbassery nonsense is this? Way to trivialize everything Kennedy has worked for after being a victim himself. Shame on you for this idiotic take.I wonder if it'll ever come out that these guys were paid off to endorse Bowman. I wouldn't be a bit surprised. Not really sure how they're so cool with him, doesn't add up to me.
Gtfo and get bent. Trivializing what Kennedy has done after being a victim is as low as it gets. Go back to your shit town forum.Sheldon Kennedy had similar experiences to the others in this case. Manipulators and abusers know exactly what to do to garner support. Kennedy was either paid (donations to his orgs) very handsomely to endorse Bowman and/or masterfully manipulated to flip.
You beat me to it.
Yes, plenty of people have alleged he committed a crime (he covered up a rape!!!) or drew the false equivalency, like you just did.
I didn't create a false equivalency, you just misread what I wrote.
Page 45 of the report, if he didn't know he chose not to! You also have to remember that everyone had lawyers coaching them. Our law system is not set up to help the victims. This is from that page.Prove it
What you quoted indicates they were informed about an allegation of attempted rape. Not rape itself. And again, an allegation at that time and not, as of yet, confirmed truths.Page 45 of the report, if he didn't know he chose not to! You also have to remember that everyone had lawyers coaching them. Our law system is not set up to help the victims. This is from that page.
link to the report
https://www.jenner.com/a/web/8kmbgFUEYWcNnvzFTa5h8H/4HRMZQ/Report%20to%20the%20Chicago%20Blackhawks%20Hockey%20Team%20-%20October%202021.pdf
When interviewed, Bowman recalled that after Game 4 ended—which was at approximately 4:46 p.m. Central Standard Time—MacIsaac approached him in the executive game suite.388 Bowman recalled MacIsaac stating that there was a problem with Aldrich and John Doe, and they needed to speak with McDonough.389 Bowman said he may have spoken to Gary as well, but he did not specifically recall doing so.390 Bowman said he recalled feeling surprised by what MacIsaac told him because the Blackhawks had just won and Bowman usually went directly to the locker room after games to speak with the coaches.391
page 46
After Game 4 ended, a meeting occurred in John McDonough’s office in the Front Office space at the United Center. Jim Gary, Stan Bowman, Al MacIsaac, John McDonough, Kevin Cheveldayoff, and Jay Blunk were present.
Jim Garys account also on page 46
Gary recalled during his interview that he told the assembled group in McDonough’s office what John Doe told him: that Aldrich was pressuring John Doe for sex, that John Doe told Aldrich he was not “into that,” and that Aldrich threatened John Doe by saying if John Doe did not comply, Aldrich could hurt John Doe’s career.396 Gary recalled that he also expressed that John Doe was uncomfortable around Aldrich due to the situation.397 Gary recalled the participants seemed to be stunned.398 He recalled that the participants started to discuss what to do next, including someone mentioning the possibility of an investigation into the matter.399
I honestly do not know how anyone can read this report and think that anyone didn't know what was going on. Nor how people can defend the cover up. I am pretty sure the people that say he didn't know read the report, have not actually read the report. Again also knowing that people are likely trying to hide as much of the truth as possible to protect themselves.
Of course Beach is going to forgive him, as he is trying to just move on and get past it and that is one of the steps. This was a dumb hire, and should not have happened. Bowman doesn't deserve to never be able to work again, but he sure should have to put in some time working his way up again. Shouldn't be gifted a GM position in the NHL.
where's the "rape" like that poster mentioned?Page 45 of the report, if he didn't know he chose not to! You also have to remember that everyone had lawyers coaching them. Our law system is not set up to help the victims. This is from that page.
link to the report
https://www.jenner.com/a/web/8kmbgFUEYWcNnvzFTa5h8H/4HRMZQ/Report%20to%20the%20Chicago%20Blackhawks%20Hockey%20Team%20-%20October%202021.pdf
When interviewed, Bowman recalled that after Game 4 ended—which was at approximately 4:46 p.m. Central Standard Time—MacIsaac approached him in the executive game suite.388 Bowman recalled MacIsaac stating that there was a problem with Aldrich and John Doe, and they needed to speak with McDonough.389 Bowman said he may have spoken to Gary as well, but he did not specifically recall doing so.390 Bowman said he recalled feeling surprised by what MacIsaac told him because the Blackhawks had just won and Bowman usually went directly to the locker room after games to speak with the coaches.391
page 46
After Game 4 ended, a meeting occurred in John McDonough’s office in the Front Office space at the United Center. Jim Gary, Stan Bowman, Al MacIsaac, John McDonough, Kevin Cheveldayoff, and Jay Blunk were present.
Jim Garys account also on page 46
Gary recalled during his interview that he told the assembled group in McDonough’s office what John Doe told him: that Aldrich was pressuring John Doe for sex, that John Doe told Aldrich he was not “into that,” and that Aldrich threatened John Doe by saying if John Doe did not comply, Aldrich could hurt John Doe’s career.396 Gary recalled that he also expressed that John Doe was uncomfortable around Aldrich due to the situation.397 Gary recalled the participants seemed to be stunned.398 He recalled that the participants started to discuss what to do next, including someone mentioning the possibility of an investigation into the matter.399
I honestly do not know how anyone can read this report and think that anyone didn't know what was going on. Nor how people can defend the cover up. I am pretty sure the people that say he didn't know read the report, have not actually read the report. Again also knowing that people are likely trying to hide as much of the truth as possible to protect themselves.
Of course Beach is going to forgive him, as he is trying to just move on and get past it and that is one of the steps. This was a dumb hire, and should not have happened. Bowman doesn't deserve to never be able to work again, but he sure should have to put in some time working his way up again. Shouldn't be gifted a GM position in the NHL.
It was alleged at the time, and Beach refused to get the cops involved. HR and his boss said it would be taken care of. Get the facts straight. Man these bandwagon fans that don't post here for YEARS, and then come back and post dumb shit.Why does it take rehab for a grown ass adult to know that the rape of a 19 year old by his staff is wrong? f*** Stan bowman
Felt it was necessary since a large portion of this board has you ignored
Are these people even fans? Why are there so many random and new accounts in here trying to convince us against the facts of the case.It was alleged at the time, and Beach refused to get the cops involved. HR and his boss said it would be taken care of. Get the facts straight. Man these bandwagon fans that don't post here for YEARS, and then come back and post dumb shit.
What you quoted indicates they were informed about an allegation of attempted rape. Not rape itself. And again, an allegation at that time and not, as of yet, confirmed truths.
It’s at that point a proper investigation should have been started by Hawks management. McDonagh stated he would handle it by doing just that. But instead waited 3 weeks and brought it to the HR dept. Where the HR dept also f***ed up and didn’t conduct a proper investigation, instead allowing Aldrich to just resign.
He may be that, but in this he was right.what an insufferable piece of shit
True. It seems at that point no one knew that anything actually happened. Only an attempt by Aldrich to coerce for something to happen.Based on the report it doesn't even get to the level that it was clear it was an "attempted rape."
Based on the varying accounts, the messaging was somewhere in between "he tried to get him in the sheets" (not a crime, but a workplace violation), and telling him his career would be impacted if he didn't sleep with him (a crime *I think*, but not an attempted rape).
Nothing about what’s known about the situation, indicates that Bowman didn’t think rape was wrong.Why does it take rehab for a grown ass adult to know that the rape of a 19 year old by his staff is wrong? f*** Stan bowman
True. It seems at that point no one knew that anything actually happened. Only an attempt by Aldrich to coerce for something to happen.
I think this is pretty clear. Staples gives cover as a (quasi) functioning journalist through which toOther than what I have already posted, not gonna add anymore here. But will say two things I have heard.
1) Staples has become a trial balloon for Bob Stauffer. Watch his messaging. It's how Bob and the Oilers float their balloons.
2) Their have been almost no sponsorship cancellations and insignificant season tickets cancelled since Bowman hired.
This will be out of the news cycle as soon as next week or as late as the Draisaitl extension announcement.
Yeh that’s about it in a nutshell I would agree. And yes, there was no coverup. There’s a rumour going around about letters of recommendations or references to help Aldrich get jobs, that was a lie as confirmed by the report as well.Here's where the Blackhawks organization went wrong in my estimation:
1 - Didn't immediately put Aldrich on leave allowing him to work the rest of the playoffs. The "team chemistry" stuff is BS, a guy like that can go on leave for "personal reasons" and nobody would have cared for a guy in his role.
2 - Actually eventually did the right thing by firing him fairly expediently, but failed in that there was no investigation. Sounds like there wasn't a clear indication that a crime had occurred (sounds like the firing was on the basis of the "getting him in the sheets" narrative), but they couldn't know because they didn't investigate. This ultimately lead to crimes committed by Aldrich down the road.
3 - Allowed him to participate in team activities after being fired, including having his name engraved on the cup and having a day with the cup. Even if in the end all this was was a workplace policy violation, it still isn't appropriate for him to be anywhere near the team at any point after being fired.
Any accusation of "cover up" is simply bullshit entirely, ESPECIALLY as it pertains to Bowman. They were negligent in that they didn't bother to investigate and didn't bother to have him exit the picture immediately when the allegations were made. There was no cover up of any sort.