Confirmed with Link: Oilers hire Stan Bowman as GM & Executive VP- press conference at 10:30

[Broberg Speed]

Red wing fans were mostly right about Holland? Please remind me how well the Oilers were doing right before Holland and how well they are doing now.

cupless and cap f***ed

 

[McShogun99]

Just a reminder that Bowman signed Jones to an inflated contract which set the market for Nurse to get his inflated contract.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Chicago is doing to full rebuild.

Kings started their rebuild way before and it was more of a retool as Doughty and Kopitar are still there. Bruins did a retool as well. It helps that they're a good destination for UFAs otherwise they would be sinking

And Chicago isn't? Again, ask yourself WHY they're going scorched earth.

Red wing fans were mostly right about Holland? Please remind me how well the Oilers were doing right before Holland and how well they are doing now.

It took Holland years to get this team over the hump that they should've been at if Chiarelli wasn't... well, Chiarelli. Time will tell if the Oilers follow up their deep run with another. But the first few years were nothing but embarrassing playoff losses.

Interesting how you conveniently forgot to mention that Chicago was the first of those teams to start winning cups, therefore they were farther along on the trajectory to start wilting. Give Pittsburgh and Tampa a few more years and let's see how they look.

The Bruins won the Cup in 2011. They're still competitive. The Kings won their first Cup in 2012 and they're back to being a decent team. Again, this is more than just "They're not a Cup contender anymore", this is "30th place in the league".

 

[Canovin]

Just a reminder that Bowman signed Jones to an inflated contract which set the market for Nurse to get his inflated contract.

I thought it was Hamilton that started the 9M trend

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Just a reminder that Bowman signed Jones to an inflated contract which set the market for Nurse to get his inflated contract.

This in of itself should frighten the fanbase when you realize Bowman is going to be handling a few very key extensions.

 

[Pavel10]

I thought it was Hamilton that started the 9M trend

Hamilton is actually better than both nurse and Jones. Oddly enough bowman’s best move is getting Keith to a sweet heart deal and knowing full well Chicago can find a sucker to take the back end of his contract.

By moving that contract they had the room for Seth Jones.

 

[Canovin]

And Chicago isn't? Again, ask yourself WHY they're going scorched earth.


It took Holland years to get this team over the hump that they should've been at if Chiarelli wasn't... well, Chiarelli. Time will tell if the Oilers follow up their deep run with another. But the first few years were nothing but embarrassing playoff losses.


The Bruins won the Cup in 2011. They're still competitive. The Kings won their first Cup in 2012 and they're back to being a decent team. Again, this is more than just "They're not a Cup contender anymore", this is "30th place in the league".

Why not a full rebuild like the model that got them 3 cups? It's not like LA is winning any cups with that roster and retool

Hamilton is actually better than both nurse and Jones. Oddly enough bowman’s best move is getting Keith to a sweet heart deal and knowing full well Chicago can find a sucker to take the back end of his contract.

By moving that contract they had the room for Seth Jones.

Oddly enough, Hamilton at the time of signing the deal was the worse

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

And Chicago isn't? Again, ask yourself WHY they're going scorched earth.


It took Holland years to get this team over the hump that they should've been at if Chiarelli wasn't... well, Chiarelli. Time will tell if the Oilers follow up their deep run with another. But the first few years were nothing but embarrassing playoff losses.


The Bruins won the Cup in 2011. They're still competitive. The Kings won their first Cup in 2012 and they're back to being a decent team. Again, this is more than just "They're not a Cup contender anymore", this is "30th place in the league".

You didn’t answer the question. I believe it was missed playoffs and 1 playoff run in over a decade before Holland. And 5 playoff appearances, including a Conference finals and a 7 game Stanley Cup final series after Holland was done. Is that correct?

The first few years were embarrassing losses because our best winger was Kassian thanks to PC.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Why not a full rebuild like the model that got them 3 cups? It's not like LA is winning any cups with that roster and retool

A number of the key players in Chicago's Cup wins were not high draft picks. For instance, from the 2010 Cup team
Duncan Keith - 54th overall
Dave Bolland - 32nd overall
Troy Brouwer - 214th overall
Bustin Byfuglien - 245th overall
Niklas Hjalmarsson - 108th overall
Niemi - Undrafted
Bryan Bickell - 41st overall

If you want the model, there it is. All players drafted by the Blackhawks.

 

[Canovin]

A number of the key players in Chicago's Cup wins were not high draft picks. For instance, from the 2010 Cup team
Duncan Keith - 54th overall
Dave Bolland - 32nd overall
Troy Brouwer - 214th overall
Bustin Byfuglien - 245th overall
Niklas Hjalmarsson - 108th overall
Niemi - Undrafted
Bryan Bickell - 41st overall

If you want the model, there it is. All players drafted by the Blackhawks.

Chicago did a full rebuild. Chicago drafted really well outside of Toews and Kane

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

You didn’t answer the question. I believe it was missed playoffs and 1 playoff run in over a decade before Holland. And 5 playoff appearances, including a Conference finals and a 7 game Stanley Cup final series after Holland was done. Is that correct?

The first few years were embarrassing losses because our best winger was Kassian thanks to PC.

Again, playoff appearances should've been the bare minimum after 2017. PC f***ed up big time, no question. But let me ask you this... are you comfortable with our defense and goaltending going forward? Yes, the team is coming off a playoffs where they fell one game short. They could absolutely win it all next year. Time will tell if this year was a one off or the norm.

 

[Stoneman89]

The effort he put in is a good first step but it all seems so dishonest to me. I mean how long did Bowman work with Kennedy? A bit longer than 2 years? That's enough nowadays for a rape enabler? He should have the greatness to step back and not let his ego tell him: ''I want to work in the NHL again, I want to work with young people.'' But I guess money and social position meant more. 2 years lol, that's like a speedrun back to GM'ing.

Kennedy also profited greatly from Bowman's name so it went both ways Imo.

I hope he won't f*** up again.

What does that even mean?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Chicago did a full rebuild. Chicago drafted really well outside of Toews and Kane

But they didn't go full scorched earth, seeing as the majority of those picks were prior to Toews and Kane.

Even then that's still beside the point. They were forced into scorched Earth because Bowman f***ed up so badly.

 

[Canovin]

But they didn't go full scorched earth, seeing as the majority of those picks were prior to Toews and Kane.

Even then that's still beside the point. They were forced into scorched Earth because Bowman f***ed up so badly.

Chicago, LA, Washington, Pitts and the Oilers all went on a full rebuild. They didn't go thru a decade of darkness like we did because they can actually draft and develop and insulate their rookies with good vets. The Oilers were the copy cats and still couldn't get it right

 

[McAsuno]

Again, playoff appearances should've been the bare minimum after 2017. PC f***ed up big time, no question. But let me ask you this... are you comfortable with our defense and goaltending going forward? Yes, the team is coming off a playoffs where they fell one game short. They could absolutely win it all next year. Time will tell if this year was a one off or the norm.

My personal guess is whatever Bowman does in regards to moves/trades will involve JJ to have the final approval of stamping it or not.
Still would've much preferred Mark Janko or Mathieu Darche. Would've been the slam dunk type of move after all of what JJ did for the last couple of weeks.

 

[Stoneman89]

Again, playoff appearances should've been the bare minimum after 2017. PC f***ed up big time, no question. But let me ask you this... are you comfortable with our defense and goaltending going forward? Yes, the team is coming off a playoffs where they fell one game short. They could absolutely win it all next year. Time will tell if this year was a one off or the norm.

Why are you of all people questioning our goaltending?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Why are you of all people questioning our goaltending?

I'm not. I'm asking if they feel comfortable with it. I assume their opinion on the goaltending is different from mine.

My personal guess is whatever Bowman does in regards to moves/trades will involve JJ to have the final approval of stamping it or not.
Still would've much preferred Mark Janko or Mathieu Darche. Would've been the slam dunk type of move after all of what JJ did for the last couple of weeks.

Given the way the UFA period went I would've preferred no hire at all.

 

[Stoneman89]

To sum up my thoughts. I agree with most that even if you take the SA stuff out of the picture, Bowman’s track record speaks for itself (and not in a good way).

The optimistic few of the group that think maybe we can hope he really proves us wrong. Wouldn’t it be nice to hire a candidate for once that doesn’t have to prove us wrong to succeed? Instead, we eagerly anticipate all of their moves ala Jackson this offseason because they are smart GMs with a good track record? Why can’t we hire a good GM???

The very slight optimistic side of me (it dwells in some nether region of my brain) is that Bowman had a similar situation in Chicago with two star players and mucked up extending their window. Maybe he learned and has a strategy for avoiding that this time!?

We’ve heard him admit his mistakes with the Kyle Beach situation but I’d love to actually hear him admit his mistakes about GMing. Most of these guys are too proud for that. Bowman strikes me as the same.

Who are all the good GM's we could have hired?

 

[McTonyBrar]

Why are we discussing goaltending?

 

[Stoneman89]

I'm not. I'm asking if they feel comfortable with it. I assume their opinion on the goaltending is different from mine.


Given the way the UFA period went I would've preferred no hire at all.

Sounds like you're questioning both it and the defence by your comments immediately after.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Sounds like you're questioning both it and the defence by your comments immediately after.

I'm certainly questioning the defense. The goaltending is a hot topic around here. With all things, time will tell what last year really was.

 

[Stoneman89]

And Chicago isn't? Again, ask yourself WHY they're going scorched earth.


It took Holland years to get this team over the hump that they should've been at if Chiarelli wasn't... well, Chiarelli. Time will tell if the Oilers follow up their deep run with another. But the first few years were nothing but embarrassing playoff losses.


The Bruins won the Cup in 2011. They're still competitive. The Kings won their first Cup in 2012 and they're back to being a decent team. Again, this is more than just "They're not a Cup contender anymore", this is "30th place in the league".

Chicago won 3 cups. The Kings 2. The Bruins 1.


Chicago wins the contest.

 

[Oilhawks]

Why are we discussing goaltending?

Because clearly Bowman already failed to address it in the 24 hours he’s been with the team

 

[Stoneman89]

I'm certainly questioning the defense. The goaltending is a hot topic around here. With all things, time will tell what last year really was.

Just like the GM.

 

[Canovin]

Chicago won 3 cups. The Kings 2. The Bruins 1.


Chicago wins the contest.

If Bowman can get the Oilers 3 cups in 6 years. I don't care what he does to the Oilers in year 10