Post-Game Talk: Oilers get ducked:

[Gunnersaurus Rex]

Jeff Jackson screwed this team last summer.
Didn't think we could've had a worse GM than Chia, but JJ's short tenure proved that wrong.

 

[McBeastMode]

The Oilers have a league-worst points percentage (.300) since the start of February.

 

[jesusbuiltmyhotrod]

He has ZERO 5 on 5 goals in the past 12 games. (And net 14 scored against).

Woof.

Mcdavid looks as ineffective as I can ever remember

The team has given up about 30 goals over the last 6 games, what makes you think another blowout is going to change anything?

It's over. They're cooked.

lol idiotic. Bet you were saying the same early in the year too. Your takes are consistently awful

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

It's worse now.

You have to go back 36 games until you reach a point where the Oilers score at a higher rate at 5v5 with McDavid on the ice than without.

Drai is alone.

Plus the poor defensive play of 97 is killing this team.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Mcdavid looks as ineffective as I can ever remember


lol idiotic. Bet you were saying the same early in the year too. Your takes are consistently awful

I'd be interested to know what makes you think this team looks like a Cup contender.

Happiest team right now is Vegas. Easy trip to the WCF while we flail about losing to crap teams.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Jeff Jackson screwed this team last summer.
Didn't think we could've had a worse GM than Chia, but JJ's short tenure proved that wrong.

in his short tenure, he managed to acquire bad players (Arvidsson, J. Skinner), washed players (Henrique), give them NMCs for some reason, hire a controversial "mid" GM and give away good young talent for basically free (Holloway, Broberg)

that's a disasterclass if I've ever seen one

 

[Lacaar]

they gave up a breakaway in the first 5 minutes...that was Pickard's first save of the game

That was a terrible read by Nurse. Absolutely awful. God I hope we don't get dumb injured Nurse again as he has been pretty good this year. But man he seems to struggle with mental mistakes like that when injured or recovering.

That being said the team was fine overall even with that gaff by Nurse. Until Anaheim got a cheezer. Then game over.
I can't understand how a veteran team is so fragile.

And agree with the posts about the forwards. God they f***ing blow ass at scoring. They're terrible.

 

[McDNicks17]

Is it a bad time to mention that Jackson Lacombe went 1 pick after Raph Lavoie?

 

[guymez]

We obviously can't change the coach, but the team needs something. They are not committed out there, defensively they are all over the place, lines keep changing, can't get a save, etc.....

I don't know how to fix this or what they need, but something needs to change.

I am with you.

The thing is that this team has had this problem almost every year.
Pretty much every year coaching comes up as an issue.
That inevitably leads to talking about the leadership on this team.

I dont have an answer either.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I am with you.

The thing is that this team has had this problem almost every year.
Pretty much every year coaching comes up as an issue.
That inevitably leads to talking about the leadership on this team.

I dont have an answer either.

Can’t they do something to shake the team up. Waive somebody popular. DO SOMETHING

Is it a bad time to mention that Jackson Lacombe went 1 pick after Raph Lavoie?

Yes bad time lol

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Is it a bad time to mention that Jackson Lacombe went 1 pick after Raph Lavoie?

People will tell me the Oilers don't have any problems drafting....

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Jeff Jackson screwed this team last summer.
Didn't think we could've had a worse GM than Chia, but JJ's short tenure proved that wrong.

See now we have time to semi fix it. Add top 6 winger, add a goalie

Sure at that point the blue line isn’t amazing, but at least it’s good enough and the team rest of the team is fixed. It can then get saves and score goals

His joke of an offseason is fixable with a winger for Leon and a goalie who can stop a puck.

 

[guymez]

Can’t they do something to shake the team up. Waive somebody popular. DO SOMETHING

Yup. Something has to happen for sure.
I guess the trade deadline will have to be the answer.

 

[mcdingdong]

I know our goaltending has been bad, but it's discussed enough. We need another goalie, at least good enough to push Skinner but ideally to supplant him.

I am glad there is much more chatter lately about our complete inability to actually SCORE GOALS, because I've seen it as a problem all season. We pretty consistently out-chance opponents but our finish is brutal. Outside of Draisaitl absolutely nobody is finishing, it's getting ridiculous at this point. What is going on? We are getting NOTHING from bottom 6, or any wingers at all really, besides the odd Perry goal (although those are usually assisted by Draisaitl now that I think about it).

Nuge is a ghost, Hyman doesn't know where the net is, Arvidsson can't stay on his feet, Podz hasn't fired a shot with his head up all season, Brown/Henrique/Janmark generate about 1 chance every 5 games...and on and on. I'm astounded that we have the record we do with so many bloody passengers up front and substandard goaltending. Draisaitl (who has been absolutely heroic all year long) and Perry are about the only forwards deserving of a passing grade this season. Maybe McDavid at times.

All this being said, I'm still optimistic this team has a chance because when they're going they hang onto the puck and dominate possession and don't give up much - that, coupled with the few gamebreakers we have who can manufacture goals from nothing, can work but it's not looking pretty the last couple of weeks.

 

[Soundwave]

I know our goaltending has been bad, but it's discussed enough. We need another goalie, at least good enough to push Skinner but ideally to supplant him.

I am glad there is much more chatter lately about our complete inability to actually SCORE GOALS, because I've seen it as a problem all season. We pretty consistently out-chance opponents but our finish is brutal. Outside of Draisaitl absolutely nobody is finishing, it's getting ridiculous at this point. What is going on? We are getting NOTHING from bottom 6, or any wingers at all really, besides the odd Perry goal (although those are usually assisted by Draisaitl now that I think about it).

Nuge is a ghost, Hyman doesn't know where the net is, Arvidsson can't stay on his feet, Podz hasn't fired a shot with his head up all season, Brown/Henrique/Janmark generate about 1 chance every 5 games...and on and on. I'm astounded that we have the record we do with so many bloody passengers up front and substandard goaltending. Draisaitl (who has been absolutely heroic all year long) and Perry are about the only forwards deserving of a passing grade this season. Maybe McDavid at times.

All this being said, I'm still optimistic this team has a chance because when they're going they hang onto the puck and dominate possession and don't give up much - that, coupled with the few gamebreakers we have who can manufacture goals from nothing, can work but it's not looking pretty the last couple of weeks.

Team doesn't have it this year the way it looks right now, think Connor is tired of the same shit every season and they have managed to piss him off.

They would need a Roloson to the 2006 Oilers type injection to really get a kick start.

 

[MessierThanThou]

People will tell me the Oilers don't have any problems drafting....

Again, if that's so (and I think it is), then why do you think the Oilers drafted well when they picked Skinner, especially when we have proven repeatedly to be the worst team in the entire league at scouting goalies?

 

[Drivesaitl]

I blame all the adrenaline and cortisol from hitting the gym midway through the third.

"I don't know, just seems like every time we make a mistake and sometimes when we don't... It's in the back of our net and we just can't recover." - Perry

Even the perfect team first hockey player in Perry is saying it... Dude didn't even say that during the midst of the darkest duck rebuild days.

heh. I know what its like. Used to do that too. Post workout posting. Haha, like a hamster on a wheel going round and round.

The thing is 40yr old Perry isn't supposed to be able to control this destiny. Credit to him for bringing some savvy looks and finding some cheese at times. He's been better scoring than he should be at this age. But the answer doesn't reside with him. 10yrs ago it would, he'd be one of the guys ABLE to make a difference. But at age he has to rely on trying to light the fire of others and credit he does that too.

I learned to hate respect Perry through the years. Wished he was an Oiler. But now is way too late, clock marched on. Henrique its the same thing. Players this old have an idea what they should be able to do out there to turn things. But they can't. Only somebody like OV can play to the level at his age and actually be a difference maker. But he's a freak of nature and probably the strongest player in the whole league physically. The ageless strength of Dracul.

The sobering thing this season is age has also finally hit Ekholm like time knew it would at some point. This is a very old team.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Again, if that's so (and I think it is), then why do you think the Oilers drafted well when they picked Skinner, especially when we have proven repeatedly to be the worst team in the entire league at scouting goalies?

Skinner is a capable backup goalie. That's what he's supposed to be. He got forced into a starter's role because the goalie they scouted and signed ended up being somewhere around Jason LaBarbera's level.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Again, if that's so (and I think it is), then why do you think the Oilers drafted well when they picked Skinner, especially when we have proven repeatedly to be the worst team in the entire league at scouting goalies?

The way the NHL recycles goalies and is quick to give up on middling goalies and just move them out basically makes drafting goalies a silly exercise. Goalies take much longer to develop so at draft age you just never know what you got. This isn't 1980 and a can't miss Grant Fuhr anymore. Its all different now. Teams shouldn't be picking goalies high unless they have some kind of miraculous goalie diviner in the org. Somebody that can sniff our a top cut future goalie.

Why draft what you can pretty easily obtain in the NHL? Some of the best goalies in the league, many, have been available and traded at one point or another. Just get your hand in that pie.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Skinner is a capable backup goalie. That's what he's supposed to be. He got forced into a starter's role because the goalie they scouted and signed ended up being somewhere around Jason LaBarbera's level.

But if you think the team sucks at scouting goalies why do you think he's even that good? Wouldn't there be so many other goalies in the league with a higher upside that would do better in the same role? I wouldn't trust any goalies this organization scouted...least of all Skinner.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The way the NHL recycles goalies and is quick to give up on middling goalies and just move them out basically makes drafting goalies a silly exercise. Goalies take much longer to develop so at draft age you just never know what you got. This isn't 1980 and a can't miss Grant Fuhr anymore. Its all different now. Teams shouldn't be picking goalies high unless they have some kind of miraculous goalie diviner in the org. Somebody that can sniff our a top cut future goalie.

Why draft what you can pretty easily obtain in the NHL? Some of the best goalies in the league, many, have been available and traded at one point or another. Just get your hand in that pie.

Can't say I agree with this. Most of the best goalies in the league are home grown. Nashville seems to churn them out with regularity. We've tried the recycling bin too many times and we always end up with trash.

But if you think the team sucks at scouting goalies why do you think he's even that good? Wouldn't there be so many other goalies in the league with a higher upside that would do better in the same role? I wouldn't trust any goalies this organization scouted...least of all Skinner.

Again, he's a solid backup. He's not starter material, and certainly won't be anywhere near a Vezina. Most of the goalies we've run through over the past decade have ended up in the dumpster heap as soon as they left the Oilers.

And let me clear, the team sucks at scouting period, not just goalies. Drafting, development, scouting... All of these things are integral to a championship team. It's why Tampa went back to back and the Oilers won't be sniffing anything anytime soon.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Can't say I agree with this. Most of the best goalies in the league are home grown. Nashville seems to churn them out with regularity. We've tried the recycling bin too many times and we always end up with trash.


Again, he's a solid backup. He's not starter material, and certainly won't be anywhere near a Vezina. Most of the goalies we've run through over the past decade have ended up in the dumpster heap as soon as they left the Oilers.

And let me clear, the team sucks at scouting period, not just goalies. Drafting, development, scouting... All of these things are integral to a championship team. It's why Tampa went back to back and the Oilers won't be sniffing anything anytime soon.

We don't necessarily need a best goalie. We need one capable of pulling goals out of the net and making big stops, at times. Tons of goalies like that exist in the league and aren't entirely heralded. We face one almost every game and like last night. Yes even a Dostal would be massive improvement. So many goalies have been moved in recent years that the Oilers could have nabbed. They guessed wrong because they don't scout goalies any better than they train them and its the same dope doing it...

Agreed that the stud goalies sometimes have to be drafted but the Oilers don't have the intelligence to find that gem. So they shouldn't try. Just draft forwards or D at least with higher picks.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

We don't necessarily need a best goalie. We need one capable of pulling goals out of the net and making big stops, at times. Tons of goalies like that exist in the league and aren't entirely heralded. We face one almost every game and like last night. Yes even a Dostal would be massive improvement. So many goalies have been moved in recent years that the Oilers could have nabbed. They guessed wrong because they don't scout goalies any better than they train them and its the same dope doing it...

Agreed that the stud goalies sometimes have to be drafted but the Oilers don't have the intelligence to find that gem. So they shouldn't try. Just draft forwards or D at least with higher picks.

You're right, we don't. But when you go through about 20 different goalies within a decade span, there's something more wrong below the surface.

But also with that said, some of the best goalies were also taken in the first round. You might want to avert your gaze for this tidbit: Vasilevsky was taken 19th overall... the year we drafted Yakupov. Jake Oettinger was taken 4 spots after we drafted Yamamoto.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Again, he's a solid backup. He's not starter material, and certainly won't be anywhere near a Vezina. Most of the goalies we've run through over the past decade have ended up in the dumpster heap as soon as they left the Oilers.

And let me clear, the team sucks at scouting period, not just goalies. Drafting, development, scouting... All of these things are integral to a championship team. It's why Tampa went back to back and the Oilers won't be sniffing anything anytime soon.

Yes, it does suck at scouting, drafting, and developing. Skinner is a product of the team's scouting, drafting, coaching, and developing. So why do you think he's a solid backup and better than hordes of other goalies out there who were scouted, drafted, and developed by teams better at scouting, drafting, and developing? How many better goalies were missed by Schwartz and friends who are second or even third-string goalies? Probably LOTS.

It just doesn't make any sense when you say that the team is totally clueless at scouting, drafting and developing, and then defend a product of that cluelessness in Skinner. Even if he somehow has potential to get better (despite two consecutive years of regression) does it not make more sense that he's damaged goods due to being coached so much by Schwartz, and should be dropped? We both know Schwartz is untouchable, so doesn't it make sense to get another goalie who has yet to be ruined by him and try to salvage this season?

Like you said, how many goalies have ended up in the dumpster heap after their run here? Koskinen and Campbell couldn't even land a job in the league! And they were considered "starter material" by our dipshit brass. Do you think Skinner has any chance whatsoever of staying in this league the minute he's traded?

 

[MoontoScott]

Savoie sent down?

How many guys have been better than him lately? In limited action he did seem interested.