Confirmed with Link: Oilers Do Not Match Broberg ($4.58M X2) & Holloway ($2.29M x 2) Offer Sheets | Oilers acquire STL 3rd '28 & Paul Fischer for Futures

[Kolja]

Hot take! The problem started when we resigned Kulak. Kulak is great for what he is, but it hindered the natural progression for Broberg.

 

[Arpeggio]

I really liked Broberg, but matching $4.6 million would've been insane. Whether this decision works out relies completely on what they do with the cap flexibility, but signing Broberg to that contract would in itself be a huge gamble.

 

[CycloneSweep]

These losses, especially the loss of Broberg, is another casualty of the Nurse contract. If the Oilers fully believed Broberg was ready for a top 4 role this year, they could've traded Nurse to a team that needed a veteran top 4 D if he made like 7 mill. Or worse case, used that extra money to sign them both. There will continue to be cap casualties on this team because Nurse is significantly overpaid, and no team will take his contract.

The big wrinkle there is Nurse would have to want to move?
Why would we when we were in game 7 of the finals?
Zero chance you convince him to waive.

 

[Oilslick941611]

what happens if he living up to the contract though?

You have to make decisions with information you have at the time. Broberg hasn’t shown anything in his career that he will be able to come in and play a full season at top 4 minutes.

So IF he does become that in STL you just take your bumps. The decision making and thought process that management has shown since the offersheet is solid and i trust in JJ. They clearly didn’t see broberg coming in and taking top 4 minutes so they went out and got someone to replace Brobergs bottom pairing minutes on short notice while giving us cap flexibility in case something shakes loose during the season.

If broberg played 50 games last season and looked good doing it, it’s a harder choice to make, he played 12, games and looked bad and played 10 in the playoffs and rated last amongst our D in analytics.

The balance of probabilities suggest that over this contract he wont live up his cap hit and on a team that has aspirations to win a cup you can’t tie up that much money in a player that isn’t worth it, especially with the previous cap errors we have made in the past.

 

[Oilhawks]

Correct decision made.

I have a feeling the Blues will get buyers remorse this season and a good chance these players don’t finish their contracts with them

 

[Little Fury]

I'm sure someone has mentioned this in the last 178 pages but there are zero first round picks from the Holland era left in the organization. Crazy.

 

[Canovin]

Hot take! The problem started when we resigned Kulak. Kulak is great for what he is, but it hindered the natural progression for Broberg.

One of our better playoffs performers got in the way of Broberg?

 

[Mr Positive]

Kostin

Even if we didn't have Kostin, I don't buy into the idea that we shouldn't get Russians. Every person is an individual. I'm sure if he can play hockey here he will be a good guy for us.

 

[Pass the Saitl Sauce]

My biggest concern today is that the Oilers have moved on from almost ALL the prospects they've had over the last several years.

Not just the two today but moving from Bourgault, McLeod, Oilers misfiring on tons of drafts.

Indeed the Oilers have two players in the lineup since Connor McDavid pick. Thats 10 f***ing years of drafting and two roster players to show for it. That is pathetic.

What other contending teams do so consistently poorly at draft or developing their picks or failing to utilize them and retain then?

As a result this team is among oldest teams in league. Older than last season.

I'm not assuming Podkolzin even makes the lineup. Whens the last time the Oilers even had any success with a Russian prospect?

Seriously this. Oilers are looking like they have no future now past 2 seasons so putting myself in Drai shoes I’d sign a 1 year and leave as UFA the same year as Mcdavid to teams that can compete with a future vs what the oilers look like in 2 years.

Where’s the incentive for our stars to stay? Money? They can get that anywhere

 

[La Bamba]

Swaps overall this summer:

Savoie, Podkolzin, Emberson, Jarventie, Fischer, 2nd, 3rd for McLeod, Holloway, Broberg, Bourgault, Tullio, Ceci

Funny to see all of Holland’s 1st round choices out of the organization already

 

[Messrules11]

I would’ve kept Holloway, we gave Pulju 3M and we knew what he was, I don’t think we know what Holloway is yet.

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

I'm sure someone has mentioned this in the last 178 pages but there are zero first round picks from the Holland era left in the organization. Crazy.

Ekholm wasn't free.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I'm sure someone has mentioned this in the last 178 pages but there are zero first round picks from the Holland era left in the organization. Crazy.

JJ sees what I saw, I didn't like a single one of those picks lol

 

[Shanahanigans]

The big wrinkle there is Nurse would have to want to move?
Why would we when we were in game 7 of the finals?
Zero chance you convince him to waive.

That's another thing, his contract didn't have to include a full no move. His agent really took Holland to the cleaners on that one man, got everything and then some. I read somewhere that there will be 2 NHL defensemen making $12 mill in salary next year- Adam Fox and Darnell Nurse. Lol.

 

[Oilslick941611]

I’m not sure I understand. You’re complaining about losing Ceci but think it would take a 1st to get him (or someone like him) back?

He’s’ just being overly emotional over losing a player that most likely not going to have an impact this season and can’t see the forest for the trees.

 

[Cloned]

Correct decision made.

I have a feeling the Blues will get buyers remorse this season and a good chance these players don’t finish their contracts with them

They’ll get remorse on Bro for sure when they see how spazzy he can get.

 

[WaitingForUser]

JJ sees what I saw, I didn't like a single one of those picks lol

You can also look it as the teams that traded for the players saw something that they liked as well.

 

[NedPlimpton]

I was initially a little surprised but am already seeing it as the right move.

Being left with the "what could have been" feeling is always a thing, of course. But I get over that pretty quickly.

 

[Mr Sakich]

95% of people arent crying about the player. I cant really even think of many posters on here that were full believers of Bro.

People arent upset about Bro the player leaving, they are upset about the hole in the roster it is leaving.

I dont think its that hard to grasp.

I agree 100% with this post. The problem is, what hole was Broberg going to fill? He would be a disaster with Nurse so Broberg is your 3rd line LD for next 2 years. That is probably the easiest role on the team to fill other than maybe 4th line winger.

I liked Broberg and think he has some upside but there was no way for him to succeed as an oiler in the next 2 years. At less then 2 mill, you use the 4LD spot as development for him. At 4.3, you don't walk away, you run. Having him and Ceci on your3rd pair is 7.5M tied up in a role that should total about 2.5 mill.

 

[nabob]

I grasp it just fine thanks

I don't agree with it

Doesn’t seem like you do based on your dozen or so comments on the subject.

 

[Kolja]

One of our better playoffs performers got in the way of Broberg?

Picking him over Broberg as 3LD got in the way, yes. I'm not stating anything about Kulaks skills here.

 

[Drivesaitl]

It sure feels like Holloway should be firing his agent after we didn’t match. You gain like a million dollars short term, but you go from having opportunity on the Cup favourite to not really even a bigger role (and with drastically worse players) on a bubble team at best. Long term, he probably costs himself substantially more than the million he’s getting. Not to mention, any Albertan that spends a significant chunk of their career playing here is going to have a heck of a lot of opportunities after retirement

This is creative math. The Oilers had offered Holloway only 1.2M. His two yr deal in STL is a whole 2.3M over what it would have been here. Really around TWICE the pay. Not sure why people are using the ask price, of 1.8M in the calculation. The Oilers weren't prepared to pay Holloway that here.

Theres other aspects too, and the kind that make it increasingly difficult for young players to develop here. The unending scrutiny, blame, fans saying that Holloway is nothing, no loss etc. Just look at this thread. Holloway to most of the fans here is oatmeal.

So that instead he gets to play in a market that is an extreme fishbowl.

I'm sure Holloway and his agent are fine, I wish them well. Its the Oilers fault they are gone.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Correct decision made.

I have a feeling the Blues will get buyers remorse this season and a good chance these players don’t finish their contracts with them

I personally hopes it screw them over in that their RFA’s see how much money they gave unproven players. And they hold out for more. They may have totally destroyed their internal cap structure and I’m glad we didn’t let St Louis further destroy ours.

 

[CycloneSweep]

95% of people arent crying about the player. I cant really even think of many posters on here that were full believers of Bro.

People arent upset about Bro the player leaving, they are upset about the hole in the roster it is leaving.

I dont think its that hard to grasp.

Broberg leaving does leave a hole in the roster as he was ill suited to be a RHD.
Ceci leaving is the hole that needs to be filled.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Hot take! The problem started when we resigned Kulak. Kulak is great for what he is, but it hindered the natural progression for Broberg.

Kulak has been absolutely money the last 3 playoffs, and his steadiness has offered some reprieve from how bad Nurse-Ceci were during that same time- his minutes are a big reason for our deep playoff runs. Broberg absolutely would not have provided the same steadiness.