Confirmed with Link: Oilers Do Not Match Broberg ($4.58M X2) & Holloway ($2.29M x 2) Offer Sheets | Oilers acquire STL 3rd '28 & Paul Fischer for Futures

[CycloneSweep]

Kulak and Perry

That still has us 4000 over the cap and we are stuck with a 21 man roster for the season.
And then we are running what
Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Emberson
Broberg - Brown

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

And still have the same questions, except you have to then pay to dump useful players to fit Kane back.

no you don't...you can put players in the minors to make it work

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Bro was definitely slotted in there with pencil. There’s not a lot to say he would have succeeded.

Not arguing there. I was very skeptical of Bros ability to be able to play those mins effectively. But all Im saying, this clearly blows a hole in the plans of JJ, Bowman and Knob.

 

[Seachd]

no more terrifying than relying on this current defense to hold together and stay injury free

Really? Because it seems the exact opposite to me.

Having the option to make changes to the defense if they aren’t performing well seems a lot better than not having it, no?

 

[oXo Cube]

95% of people arent crying about the player. I cant really even think of many posters on here that were full believers of Bro.

People arent upset about Bro the player leaving, they are upset about the hole in the roster it is leaving.

I dont think its that hard to grasp.

Ok but this makes no sense because that hole is still there even if you keep Broberg.

Except in that scenario you have no options to fill it other than hopes and prayers that Philip figures it out on his off side.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Ceci, despite his warts...is a decent #5

now we got got 3 "maybes"

Not a lie, but we pulled the band-aid off to have cap flexibility... now they need to get Draisaitl done and there should be no excuses to not get Bouchard done long term.

Would you be satisfied with the situation if 8 year deals for Draisaitl and Bouchard were announced?

I'd take the 3 maybes on D to start the season if the two were extended to max deals.

Yet they left him down and traded for Stetcher. So yes Stetcher was ahead of him for a time. Only time Broberg drew in was once Stetcher was out for the season injured.

True, if Stecher was healthy and ready to go for the playoffs I doubt Broberg gets his audition.

 

[Oilslick941611]

95% of people arent crying about the player. I cant really even think of many posters on here that were full believers of Bro.

People arent upset about Bro the player leaving, they are upset about the hole in the roster it is leaving.

I dont think its that hard to grasp.

What hole does broberg leave that’s not covered by the guys we picked up? You aren’t seriously thinking Broberg walks in and plays second pairing to do? If we kept broberg, we gotta trade Kulak, and that leaves a bigger hole. Broberg is currently a bottom pairing D man and we have that in spades. We always needed a top 4 guy with Broberg or not.

 

[Canovin]

disagree

and I think St. Louis knows this and why they paid a huge price for him...their scouting is light years better than ours

MPS, Yakupov, Samorukov. While Oilers got Kostin and Perron and flipped him for a 1st until Chia eff that up

 

[Reasonable Oil Fan]

Holloway really f***ed up and I’m sure he knows it.

Why do you think this?

 

[K1984]

disagree

and I think St. Louis knows this and why they paid a huge price for him...their scouting is light years better than ours

I don't perceive this as something to disagree about - objectively he has shown Top4 ability for all of about a minute at the NHL level over a fairly long time span.

Even his vaunted playoff performance is getting the benefit of a bit of revisionist history. He was mediocre at best in the Finals. He had a flash in Game 4 and 5 against the Stars, then was blah after that. There is pretty much nothing in his regular season history that indicates that he'll be anything.

So not really sure what you're leaning on other than "but it might work out!" that substantiates a potentially crippling decision to sign him for $4.5M despite not playing to that level for more than about 25 total mins of ice.

 

[CycloneSweep]

injuries occur, you can put Perry/Ryan/Brown into the minors

there are ways to figure this out

Okay you put all 3 of those guys in the minors then you have a roster that doesn't even have 12 forward.
Literally keeping Broberg means our team would be lokced in until Kane is back and then the team would be getting worse the moment Kane has to come back.
We would have had to move one of Arvidsson, Skinner, Kane, Nuge, Henrique and then maybe one more to keep Broberg.
We were backed into a corner and you are asking the team to be backed into a bigger corner and literally hoping and praying for more injuries. Thats some Chia level GMing.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Really? Because it seems the exact opposite to me.

Having the option to make changes to the defense if they aren’t performing well seems a lot better than not having it, no?

you need to have good assets to get good players back, no? Ekholm, for example, was traded for a 1st (something we don't have) and Schaeffer

 

[HenrikW]

In my biased opinion, Swedish defensemen usually become good. I'm sceptical about parting with Broberg even if he hasnt reached his potentonal

 

[Cloned]

Why do you think this?

I don’t think he wanted to leave and I think he expected the Oilers to match.

 

[Canovin]

Why do you think this?

He could be getting Yamo/Pulju $$ as soon as 2 years with the Oilers and also chasing the cup. We just needed some time to sort out our cap space

 

[North]

Ultimately the question you have to ask is based on performance to date would you sign either of these guys to the deals they now have?

We made reasonable offers to both based on performance and they decided to wait it out and got significant pay increases.

 

[Broberg Speed]

the Oilers are putting Kane on LTIR...figure out the cap after Kane is back

Who would they trade? And they'd have a gun pressed firmly against the temple mid-season.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Holloway really f***ed up and I’m sure he knows it.

I bought his gradedyoung gun card the day before the offersheet for 10 dollars. If he goes off in STL I’ll happily sell.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

What hole does broberg leave that’s not covered by the guys we picked up? You aren’t seriously thinking Broberg walks in and plays second pairing to do? If we kept broberg, we gotta trade Kulak, and that leaves a bigger hole. Broberg is currently a bottom pairing D man and we have that in spades. We always needed a top 4 guy with Broberg or not.

Reading comprehension is tough.

I never said we should match him. I very clearly have stated multiple times, we made the right choice to let him walk and we are good enough to survive with replacement level players. I also stated that I was very skeptical he would be able to adequately play the role coaching/management clearly had earmarked for him.

All I am saying, is that the coaching staff and management were clearly penciling him into that top 4 role and the plan was to audition him there on a cheap contract. It bought us time and potentially an easy fix for our top 4 if everything worked out. That plan is out the window and now we are scrambling with a few a guys who we NEVER expected to play that role hoping they can fill in.

Thats all im saying. Our plans were disrupted and their is hole in the plans we made. Now we have to audition guys like Emberson and Stetcher and hope they can fill in major minutes.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I don't perceive this as something to disagree about - objectively he has shown Top4 ability for all of about a minute at the NHL level over a fairly long time span.

Even his vaunted playoff performance is getting the benefit of a bit of revisionist history. He was mediocre at best in the Finals. He had a flash in Game 4 and 5 against the Stars, then was blah after that. There is pretty much nothing in his regular season history that indicates that he'll be anything.

So not really sure what you're leaning on other than "but it might work out!" that substantiates a potentially crippling decision to sign him for $4.5M despite not playing to that level for more than about 25 total mins of ice.

so why did St. Louis target him and overpay him? they believe he can blossom into a top 4 d-man...which I agree with
I don't get the "he'll never be worth 4.6!" narrative

 

[Oilslick941611]

no you don't...you can put players in the minors to make it work

And still play the guy that isn’t living up his contract? Get rid of players that can contribute to fit a guy who has done nothing but cry about playing time?

 

[nabob]

no you don't...you can put players in the minors to make it work

Explain. Who goes to the minors to clear Kane’s $5M cap hit.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

And still play the guy that isn’t living up his contract? Get rid of players that can contribute to fit a guy who has done nothing but cry about playing time?

what happens if he living up to the contract though?

 

[K1984]

so why did St. Louis target him and overpay him? they believe he can blossom into a top 4 d-man...which I agree with
I don't get the "he'll never be worth 4.6!" narrative

St. Louis has cap space, is in a re-tool and has zero expectations of competing for a cup this year. It isn't complicated to see why their situation is different.

You think they're taking a $4.5M swing on a career NHL/AHL tweener if they are expecting to win the cup this year?

 

[Broberg Speed]

In my biased opinion, Swedish defensemen usually become good. I'm sceptical about parting with Broberg even if he hasnt reached his potentonal

Is that the view from your troll house?