Confirmed with Link: Oilers Do Not Match Broberg ($4.58M X2) & Holloway ($2.29M x 2) Offer Sheets | Oilers acquire STL 3rd '28 & Paul Fischer for Futures

[CycloneSweep]

The numbers defensively for Nurse/Barrie was better than Nurse/Ceci.

A few years ago when Barrie’s game hasn’t taken a big step back and Nurse/Barrie got the gravy minutes with McDavid that they would not get again.

 

[guymez]

Is it? Holloway scored big goals in the playoffs and only getting better. Ardvidson has had multiple back issues and getting older. I hope he blows the doors off but to say Holloway should be on the bottom 6 is a dumb take too.

Why?
Holloway had 18 points in 89 games...how is that worthy of 2nd line minutes on a team as stacked up front as this one?

 

[gordonhught]

More than last year going to have to win games 6-5 but I think the forwards can do that.

If nothing else, I am over the finals.

Things will be interesting to say the least.

 

[guymez]

A few years ago when Barrie’s game hasn’t taken a big step back and Nurse/Barrie got the gravy minutes with McDavid that they would not get again.

You are talking offensively.
Barrie and Nurse were this teams #1 pairing defenisvely as well.
Back then McDavids defence wasnt exaclty part of a winning formula...it was an after thought.

Not exactly a stellar #1 pairing by any means but they still held their own. Ceci and Nurse were a disaster.

 

[oilers4life5]

If we waive one one player and LTIR Kane we can keep both our guys. Let’s do it!

 

[Soundwave]

More than last year going to have to win games 6-5 but I think the forwards can do that.

I think that's overblown, considering too that Ceci was a defensive whipping boy here for so long.

Knoblaugh/Coffey are the D, not any one individual, we became a systems D team last year. They make it go, same as Florida is able to cycle lesser guys in/out of their blue line too, it's Maurice's system that makes it hum.

 

[CycloneSweep]

You are talking offensively.
Barrie and Nurse were this teams #1 pairing defenisvely as well.
Back then McDavids defence wasnt exaclty part of a winning formula...it was an after thought.

Not exactly a stellar #1 pairing by any means but they still held their own. Ceci and Nurse were a disaster.

Barrie was often a healthy scratch for Nashville.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Why?
Holloway had 18 points in 89 games...how is that worthy of 2nd line minutes on a team as stacked up front as this

With rookies you don't just look at the entire body of work. You look if they are turning up or down. He's massively trending up. Don't matter now as it looks like he's gone.

 

[Arpeggio]

Barrie was often a healthy scratch for Nashville.

Wasn't there a whole situation there where they were trying to trade him and basically told him to go home?

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Ok now that Bowman & JJ have created the space AND added 2 serviceable players you call up Dougie A and give him the big ol’ F U - match both & put Kane on LTIR.

 

[guymez]

Barrie was often a healthy scratch for Nashville.

Thats just wrong.
Barrie played 41 games for nashville (averaged over 18 min TOI) and had an upper body injury that caused him to miss a lot of games.

With rookies you don't just look at the entire body of work. You look if they are turning up or down. He's massively trending up. Don't matter now as it looks like he's gone.

I disagree.
Consistency is what matters with rookies...not just putting together a couple of solid games.
Holloway had his issues defensively in the playoffs too.
It wasnt just all arrows up.

 

[bellagiobob]

When the season ended in late June, I figured this would be a fairly short and quiet off season.

 

[McBooya42]

Is it? Holloway scored big goals in the playoffs and only getting better. Ardvidson has had multiple back issues and getting older. I hope he blows the doors off but to say Holloway should be on the bottom 6 is a dumb take too.

On our roster as is, he'll be on the 3rd or 4th lines. Especially when Kane is healthy.

 

[bellagiobob]

We now have the room to match on both players if we choose. Dealing from a position of strength now. Armstrong's brilliant work may end up netting him a 5th round pick in exchange for a 3rd round pick, as well as having a whack of GM's never trusting him again.

 

[nerevarine]

I still think broberg and holloway walk. Dont want to deal with broberg @ 4.6M

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

What are the betting odds on the various scenarios? I’m having a Bet Rivers withdrawal.

 

[guymez]

When the season ended in late June, I figured this would be a fairly short and quiet off season.

You were half right.

 

[bellagiobob]

What are the betting odds on the various scenarios? I’m having a Bet Rivers withdrawal.

I'm actually shocked that Gary hasn't flooded SN with all the various betting scenarios. Would be a goldmine with the way Albertans like to bet.

 

[FunkyChicken]

We now have the room to match on both players if we choose. Dealing from a position of strength now. Armstrong's brilliant work may end up netting him a 5th round pick in exchange for a 3rd round pick, as well as having a whack of GM's never trusting him again.

Blues are still short LD.
I imagine we could move them Kulak at an FU price.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Still say with the Podkolzin pickup, Holloway is a goner

 

[bellagiobob]

Blues are still short LD.
I imagine we could move them Kulak at an FU price.

The tone on their board has slightly changed in the last 12 hours.

 

[Oilhawks]

Bit of an aside, and while the Red Wings would usually be considered bigger rivals, the Blues are rivals of the Hawks. Screwing over smug prick Armstrong and his fanbase is like a double f*** you for Bowman. Kind of ironic that he did it by trading with our “Blues” (Canucks) to start this off

 

[McBooya42]

I hope Broberg comes out and takes some steps and proves me wrong. I’d like to see him succeed.

But I don’t really see how we upgrade the defense when Broberg makes 4.6m. We won’t be able to really afford anything else.

Barrie.

I don’t think we will. If we do that then we HAVE to move someone else when Kane comes back. All reports make it seem like Kane will be back around the deadline.


I don’t think Barrie would be. Barrie’s value came from his gravy McDrai minutes and PP ability. All things Bouchard will be doing instead.

Good point. That 2nd PP group will get a boost.

 

[AM]

Because the reason behind his request matters. Friedman brought this up too. It's easy to look at Bouchard and think better of him because he never requested a trade, but the team bent over backwards for him and put him in the ultimate position to succeed, and we did this before he proved himself. Friedman pointed out that the issue with Broberg is his role. He doesn't feel that the Oilers really take him seriously. Matching this offer sheet would show that we are serious and sort of forces Knoblauch to give him the same kind of opportunity we gifted Bouchard. So we'd have two years to have Broberg get what he wants.

And to be clear, in that scenario both sides win. We are talking about exploring Broberg's potential instead of riding Ceci/Kulak above their pay grade yet again

There’s no I in team. However if he wants to be considered seriously then the I could construed as symbolic of how I feel about matching Broberg.

 

[JeffSkinner53]

I'm probably in the minority but I find it crazy and the wrong move to keep Broberg over Holloway.