timekeep
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What lame excuse? I'm not crying over Ceci, I'm crying over the players they brought in to replace Ceci. None are better, don't go the with the addition by subtraction crap either.
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He has the worst lateral movement in the league.
Drivesaitl
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I'm watching his pregame warmup and I'm going oh no, this again. Its like he pretends at goalie warm ups, stretches. That a goalie in the top league in the world doesn't even have a proper warm up routine, makes you wonder about all the rest of his preparation routine. Of if games are it....
This is the worst starting goalie I've seen here in decades. In terms of form, movement, ability.
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8-1 last year, 6-0 this year, so 4 to -1 next year.
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JeffSkinner53
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Good post Russ even though I don't agree with all the takes. I've liked looking at the goal simulations and agree its a different tool. But for course doesn't take into account attempts to stop a play, a pass, or sticks in lanes etc. It describes movement of players in a way that Howie Meeker used to do decades ago. But the last comment I'm not understanding. Its perhaps telling that Skinner gave up 5 goals on all shots that he saw, none were screens, and 4/5 were initial and one shots beating him. Oilers were actually cleaning up rebounds quite well.Check out the goal simulations on NHL.com
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Gonna lean on this all season.
Goal 1: check out 97 and 93 already starting to push up to fly the zone before we acquire the puck. Dermott got schooled in the crease.
Goal 2: Emberson way out of position, but where’s the first forward back to cover for Nurse’s pinch? 97 was there but pushed up.
Goal 3: Emberson followed the puck around the boards, putting him and Nurse out of position, but look at 29 and 92 giving up on the play and letting their man in uncovered.
Goal 4: Decent coverage but 53 had to come all the way across the ice from behind the net to try and cover the shooter cause Leon floated back super slow.
Goal 5: Good coverage in the crease but 93 and 10 chasing the puck and playing like a PK rather than taking a man.
Goal 6: 19 made a bad effort to “deny the zone” and 33 overpursued the puck carrier and left both trailers wide open.
Yeah goaltending wasn’t great and both Emberson and Dermott didn’t gave great debuts but as usual forwards aren’t doing their job in our end, and it’s the leadership core that are often the worst offenders.
Also it sounds like this data is scrapable, so finally we can see some data on player and puck tracking and stop relying on shots for everything like it’s the Stone Age.
Also very telling that these seem to be one shot sorties, so it’s not like they ground down our team defense, we just gave up.
One could do the same with the Jets who were blowing coverages abysmally and on some zone outs were keystone cops, and it was Hellbuck all day saving them. This was a 3-2 game disguised by immense goaltending disparity to be 6-0. Thats the story not shown. Its also why 3 X on the bench the Jets are laughing how easy it is to score on Skinner on one shots.
I lol when I saw that. As if Skinner had anything at all to do with it. Course they won't post it when he's usually shit against a club. Like Carolina.
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bellagiobob
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I'm not talking about other teams. Skinner had the worst playoff performance of all time in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs. They were the only team in history to win a playoff series with their starter recording an .833 SV% (against Vancouver). If he had been just average- the series likely ends in 5. He was better in the tail end of the Dallas series. He played better yet against Florida- but couldn't compete with his counterpart. This has nothing to do with other teams- you need your starter to be NHL average at minimum
I do both. You dont do either very well
bellagiobob
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You are a very balanced poster, you will comment on when a player is playing great, and call them out when they aren’t, regardless of position or stature on the team. Seems normal to me, much more than certain posters who will pick on one or two players, call out every bad play they make, never mentioning when they have good games, and idolizing other players so much that they cant see when they have poor games, and get upset if any other poster even mentions their hero in a bad light. I know myself I’ll heap tons of praise on McDavid during the year, but the odd time that he has a crappy game, especially in a key home opener when more was expected from him, I’ll give him shit. But it’s probably a 95/5 praise over giving shit percentage over the year.
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Drivesaitl
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He's basically saying he can't track NHL level hockey several seasons in. Just get rid of this bozo. So done with the fat clown showing up every October like a horror movie in goal.
I'm with you. Hopefully Bowman doesn't have the attachment to him that Holland does. He can take his goalie coach with him
Losing a Marchessault is 10x worse than the players the Oilers lost, Florida lost Montour who's better than anyone we lost and several other players past that.
This is not able to be used as an excuse. Every team has turn over, it's completely normal.
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bellagiobob
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Too bad. Skinner must burn!
La Bamba
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Skinner is allergic to having a good SV% lol. It's gonna take him until November to be above .900
I hope Knob allows for a true competition in net. If Pickard plays better, simply give him more games than Stu
I hope Knob allows for a true competition in net. If Pickard plays better, simply give him more games than Stu
Drivesaitl
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When Skinner succeeds is because the team is allowing zero passes across and next to no scoring attempts. Which is incredibly difficult an expectation for the club every game. Skinner requires perfect airtight defending and structure in front of him, nearly every game, to be adequate. When a club is giving up fairly normative amound of scoring chances Skinner is blitzed, and often pulled.
ps we're listening to Gregor now? Since when?
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Drivesaitl
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Because "balanced" is the poster calling others opinions stupid, idiotic for the past few days and doing that with Multiple posters, while the poster is completely trashing the team and its "garbage culture" and calling the team "entitled assholes" over one bad game. You only agree with the poster because your take is similar.
Who are you kidding. Probably pissed at the game because your bets didn't happen.
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guymez
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Its interesting (and predictable) to watch posters go to great lengths to absolve their favorite players from any reposnsibility regarding the 6-0 loss and direct their frustration directly at the player(s) they have always disliked.
I mean lets get realisitc about the teams performance last night...was there even one player who had a good game?
This to me is cyrstal clear...it was a complete team loss.
If we need to distill it down then I would look directly at the leadership group because their lack of engagement/intensity in the game impacted this team more than anything else.
I mean lets get realisitc about the teams performance last night...was there even one player who had a good game?
This to me is cyrstal clear...it was a complete team loss.
If we need to distill it down then I would look directly at the leadership group because their lack of engagement/intensity in the game impacted this team more than anything else.
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Hey now, Podz had a decent game, so there is one!
Which, to be fair, is a bit alarming as he's one of the outsiders and one of the few eager to impress (apparently).
guymez
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Actaully I agree...Podz didnt look too bad. At least he was engaged.Hey now, Podz had a decent game, so there is one!
Which, to be fair, is a bit alarming as he's one of the outsiders and one of the few eager to impress (apparently).
I guess the entire 4th line might have been the Oilers best line which really speaks to how bad they were.
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I get them wanting to stick with and developing Skinner, the thing that I wanted to see was signing a good move veteran back up you could put in there in case Skinner fails. Brossoit would have been a good target after what he did the last few years, would rather have seen money spent there instead of some of the others they brought in.
