Post-Game Talk: Oilers die on the Hill

[Soundwave]

And yet, despite all this, Oliers fans couldn't wait to run him outta town

Yes ... and?

How does that relate to Skinner? Skinner doesn't have the talent level of a Cam Talbot.

If you want a comparable for Stuart Skinner you have a much more obvious one ... Mikko Koskinen, I'm not honestly even sold that Skinner is better than Koskinen, Koskinen never got to play behind a team that has this much structure and had no benefit of Ekholm's impact, just a broken Klefbom that was half the player he was in 2017.

I think Mikko Koskinen would give you the same, maybe even better results in the regular season as Skinner with this team and system.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yes ... and?

How does that relate to Skinner? Skinner doesn't have the talent level of a Cam Talbot.

If you want a comparable for Stuart Skinner you have a much more obvious one ... Mikko Koskinen, I'm not honestly even sold that Skinner is better than Koskinen, Koskinen never got to play behind a team that has this much structure and had no benefit of Ekholm's impact, just a broken Klefbom that was half the player he was in 2017.

I think Mikko Koskinen would give you the same, maybe even better results in the regular season as Skinner with this team and system.

Talbot is trending downward this season, just like I told you he would. The Kings decided to move on from him for a reason and they don't seem to miss him. At all.

 

[guymez]

No, the shit forwards cost the team a point last night...score a goddamn goal, do your job f***ing job


do you mean the awful turnover Draisaitl had to spring that 2 on 1? or what about the awful giveaway Caggulia had in the 2nd that Skinner made a huge save on?


maybe the Oilers should have invested more than 3.6 mil on this goalie tandem...paying below average cap-hits to players than expecting above-average results is foolish

Looks like the narrative is set in stone for a number of posters.
Skinners improved play in the last 4 games (and any big saves he has made) doesnt matter.

The fact that this team (which is completely built for offence) being 22nd overall in goals scored (a dismal failure so far) also doesnt matter.

 

[BlackDogg]

does not matter what you goalie does if the skaters shoot goose eggs on the scoring sheet

He played decent and yet was still somehow second best.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Exactly.
How anyone could watch last nights game and blame goaltending is perplexing to say the least.
Zero goals scored = bad goaltending...lol

If the other guy in your position is incredible and you let in a stinker then you share some of the blame. Is what it is. He wasn’t good despite only allowing 1 goal. A retired Ben Scrivens could have done Skinners job last night.

Still you can’t win without a goal. Our offence is an issue for sure. Injury issues and I think Knob is utilizing our players like shit. No excuse for a team with this firepower to struggle so much to score.

 

[BlackDogg]

cAn’T bLaMe ThE gOaLiE wHeN tHe TeAm dIdN’t ScOrE

He managed to come out last in the goalie derby again, even though he didn't play bad. It's his complete random meltdownitis every game.

 

[guymez]

If the other guy in your position is incredible and you let in a stinker then you share some of the blame. Is what it is. He wasn’t good despite only allowing 1 goal. A retired Ben Scrivens could have done Skinners job last night.


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Still you can’t win without a goal. Our offence is an issue for sure. Injury issues and I think Knob is utilizing our players like shit. No excuse for a team with this firepower to struggle so much to score.

So this chart proves what exactly about Stu Skinners game last night?

You frame the goal as a bad goal. I watched it several times...it was an unlucky goal. Pure and simple but then again I dont have an axe to grind.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

He managed to come out last in the goalie derby again, even though he didn't play bad. It's his complete random meltdownitis every game.

The shooters also came out last in the offense derby. Can't win if you don't score.

2 goals in 2 games against a Vegas team very likely standing in the way of a deep playoff run.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

So this chart proves what exactly about Stu Skinners game last night?

Chart speaks for itself dude.

 

[guymez]

Chart speaks for itself dude.

Is there anything that chart doesnt tell you?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Looks like the narrative is set in stone for a number of posters.
Skinners improved play in the last 4 games (and any big saves he has made) doesnt matter.

The fact that this team (which is completely built for offence) being 22nd overall in goals scored (a dismal failure so far) also doesnt matter.

dude, we are supposed to win 1-0 in a shootout now!
goals be damned

 

[guymez]

dude, we are supposed to win 1-0 in a shootout now!
goals be damned

Exactly.
This place sometimes.

Notice how the posters proclaiming that last nights 1-0 game was lost because of Skinner are staying clear of this team being 22nd in goals scored and 11th is goals against?

 

[Oilhawks]

He managed to come out last in the goalie derby again, even though he didn't play bad. It's his complete random meltdownitis every game.

Yup. Can play a good game and still manages to let in a soft goal. Mistake-free hockey or at least a goal against

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

dude, we are supposed to win 1-0 in a shootout now!
goals be damned

18th in GF/G. That's simply not going to be good enough to win it all. And like I've been saying all season, the longer this goes on the more likely it is that it's the norm.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

LOL...okay.

I said it in my original post. When the other guy in your position outplays you that bad you get some of the blame.

Nice man child response though.

 

[guymez]

I said it in my original post. When the other guy in your position outplays you that bad you get some of the blame.

Nice man child response though.

Come on dude...this is the hill you choose to die on?
Really?

 

[GOilers88]

I don't ever expect a shutout from Skinner, lulz. That's a huge ask of him, who do you think he is? Adin Hill?

Your love affair with Adin Hill is hilarious.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Come on dude...this is the hill you choose to die on?
Really?

 

[Soundwave]

18th in GF/G. That's simply not going to be good enough to win it all. And like I've been saying all season, the longer this goes on the more likely it is that it's the norm.

It's basically the same level of scoring they had a year ago, the difference is the PP.

This team hasn't been that great of a 5 on 5 scoring team since 22-23 (really since Evander Kane got his wrist cut open).

This year teams are scouting the shit out of us because a game against Florida or Edmonton is a benchmark game for other teams. Knob has no adjustments to make, so it's basically the forwards being left on an island to figure out how to adjust against what other coaches are doing.

Your love affair with Adin Hill is hilarious.

If a goalie we got for a 4th round pick basically won us a Cup, give that man a statue next to Gretzky and name a street after him. The Oilers have played 6 periods against this guy and they haven't beaten him with an actual clean goal (two fluke goals only) this season yet. And in a few hours he's likely to be named Team Canada's starter.

 

[GOilers88]

I mean Lankinen (875k), Talbot (2.5m), Thompson (775k), Gustavsson (3.7), Blomqvist (ELC), Stolarz (2.5m), Woll (766k), Vejmelka (2.7), Vladar (2.2) and many others are significantly outperforming Skinner this year for less money or about the same.

I'm not even sure if he's honestly even better than Pickard, Pickard has better numbers last regular season, better numbers in the playoffs, better numbers this year again, at what point do you ask the question?

It's not a legit question until Pickard is given the starters workload to run with.

Comparing backup numbers to starter numbers is silly. Maybe the coaches need to give Picks the leash and let him run with it. But I think it's probably safe to assume Pickards numbers would fall if he had to play the majority of games over a season, and that has nothing at all to do with Skinner.

 

[Soundwave]

It's not a legit question until Pickard is given the starters workload to run with.

Comparing backup numbers to starter numbers is silly. Maybe the coaches need to give Picks the leash and let him run with it. But I think it's probably safe to assume Pickards numbers would fall if he had to play the majority of games over a season.

Pickard has played like 40+ games now for the Oilers, it's not exactly a nothing sample size.

Neither Skinner or Pickard should be playing a starter's load, neither are good enough for that.

 

[GOilers88]

He played decent and yet was still somehow second best.

A goalie is always going to be second best when his team doesn't score any goals.

What the f*** even is this?

Pickard has played like 40+ games now for the Oilers, it's not exactly a nothing sample size.

Neither Skinner or Pickard should be playing a starter's load, neither are good enough for that.

40 games over 2 seasons. Yes it is a small sample size. Let him play 50 games this year and see where he sits. We all know it won't happen, because over his career he's never shown to be a starter.

 

[Soundwave]

A goalie is always going to be second best when his team doesn't score any goals.

What the f*** even is this?


40 games over 2 seasons. Yes it is a small sample size. Let him play 50 games this year and see where he sits.

It's not like .890 is a high bar to clear on a team that doesn't allow a whole lot. There's a lot of guys who would have better numbers in Skinner's role on the Oilers.

There's a reason why Skinner basically flushed down the toilet what should have been a locked spot on Team Canada, which is weak in net. It's because he's not very good.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

It's basically the same level of scoring they had a year ago, the difference is the PP.

This team hasn't been that great of a 5 on 5 scoring team since 22-23 (really since Evander Kane got his wrist cut open).

This year teams are scouting the shit out of us because a game against Florida or Edmonton is a benchmark game for other teams. Knob has no adjustments to make, so it's basically the forwards being left on an island to figure out how to adjust against what other coaches are doing.



If a goalie we got for a 4th round pick basically won us a Cup, give that man a statue next to Gretzky and name a street after him. The Oilers have played 6 periods against this guy and they haven't beaten him with an actual clean goal (two fluke goals only) this year yet. And in a few hours he's likely to be named Team Canada's starter.

Too many forwards are seeing their numbers fall off. I also don't think they're working hard enough to get to the dirty areas. They basically slept through two periods last night and decided to only try in the third (something that they've done all too often to no success).

as for Adin Hill, he's just another Cam Ward. A goalie that got hot at the right time. Funny enough Adin Hill's regular season statline for his career is pretty close to Skinner's. 2.68 GAA, .909sv%. Skinner's are 2.72 GAA and .907sv%

 

[GOilers88]

It's not like .890 is a high bar to clear on a team that doesn't allow a whole lot. There's a lot of guys who would have better numbers in Skinner's role on the Oilers.

Sure, but they have no relevance to the current Oilers goaltending.

It's not Skinners fault the management is glued to him at all costs.