Post-Game Talk: Oilers die on the Hill

[K1984]

I certainly don't disagree with anything you said. I do think Vegas deserves credit for keeping the Oilers largely to the outside for the first two periods but at the same time I don't think the Oilers worked all that hard either.

Definitely not.

You can tell the nights when they're going to do this fairly early. Vegas played a tight game, but it wasn't near impenetrable as we saw when we actually simplified and got working in the third. It's like it takes them 40 minutes to realize "oh darn, I guess the cute goals aren't just going to happen for us tonight," but by then it's too late.

We have been defending well enough as a team generally to take advantage of jumping on teams early, then locking the back part of the game down. We can't though because it seems to take us half a game to decide if we're going to score or not on a given night.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Imagine if there was a 5 minute overtime and a shootout to determine a winner if no one scores after regulation. A team has never won 1-0 in a shootout, impossible.

Imagine if there was a 60 minute period to score a single goal against a team they're staring up at in the standings.

In 120 minutes against these guys we've scored twice. Vegas has won both games in regulation. The Oilers also don't hold the first tie breaker against Vegas so it's not like winning in overtime or a shootout would've done them all that much good.

 

[Soundwave]

Vegas paid a 4th round pick to get Adin Hill and won a Cup because of it, lol.

Unreal asset management.

 

[Canovin]

When 2 good teams go head to head, it usually comes down to goaltending. If you're okay with last place goaltending then that's on you.

I've been saying this for awhile now. How we are not going after Blomqvist is beyond me

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

When 2 good teams go head to head, it usually comes down to goaltending. If you're okay with last place goaltending then that's on you.

I've been saying this for awhile now. How we are not going after Blomqvist is beyond me

Are you okay with the 18th best offense?

 

[Canovin]

Are you okay with the 18th best offense?

Yes considering Arvid and Kane are injured and RNH and Hyman are having a slow start.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Vegas shouldn't have either, his shit play on that goal cost us at least a point last night.

No, the shit forwards cost the team a point last night...score a goddamn goal, do your job f***ing job

Based on the chances that he faced in comparison to Hill why shouldn't we have expected a shutout?

do you mean the awful turnover Draisaitl had to spring that 2 on 1? or what about the awful giveaway Caggulia had in the 2nd that Skinner made a huge save on?

When 2 good teams go head to head, it usually comes down to goaltending. If you're okay with last place goaltending then that's on you.

I've been saying this for awhile now. How we are not going after Blomqvist is beyond me

maybe the Oilers should have invested more than 3.6 mil on this goalie tandem...paying below average cap-hits to players than expecting above-average results is foolish

 

[Lacaar]

No team in NHL history has ever won a game without putting a single puck in the net. This offense goes as McDavid and Draisatl take them and when teams key in on them (as Vegas did last night), the Oilers more often than not will not win. This is not a championship caliber offense right now.

The Oilers lost the game because they didn't score. That's all there is to it.

Ding ding ding.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

This teams Achilles heel ironically enough is they're inconsistency in finishing scoring chances. This doesn't mean the goaltending is good by any means. It just means imo that goaltending and defence are not the biggest problem.
No team f***s up a scoring chance like the Oilers.

This isn't just bounces and luck. Bullshit. They just have games where the give o shit o meter isn't high enough.

They're not sitting in the dressing room thinking they don't want to play tonight. They're likely frustrated as well. How do you capture the urgency and motivation. With this team it has always come via guilt. Hence the 3rd period .. oh shit let's really try now.

They are the Rocky Balboa hockey team.. but inevitably lose in the end. Because eventually they find an opponent that can beat them when they hand the initiative to the other team for free.

This is not a bulls by the horn team. They're an oh shit we better get our shit together team.
They need to get punched before they realize they're in a fight.

 

[Canovin]

No, the shit forwards cost the team a point last night...score a goddamn goal, do your job f***ing job


do you mean the awful turnover Draisaitl had to spring that 2 on 1? or what about the awful giveaway Caggulia had in the 2nd that Skinner made a huge save on?


maybe the Oilers should have invested more than 3.6 mil on this goalie tandem...paying below average cap-hits to players than expecting above-average results is foolish

Or invest less than 3.6M and still get better goaltending

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Or invest less than 3.6M and still get better goaltending

like who?

 

[Soundwave]

Ding ding ding.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

This teams Achilles heel ironically enough is they're inconsistency in finishing scoring chances. This doesn't mean the goaltending is good by any means. It just means imo that goaltending and defence are not the biggest problem.
No team f***s up a scoring chance like the Oilers.

This isn't just bounces and luck. Bullshit. They just have games where the give o shit o meter isn't high enough.

They're not sitting in the dressing room thinking they don't want to play tonight. They're likely frustrated as well. How do you capture the urgency and motivation. With this team it has always come via guilt. Hence the 3rd period .. oh shit let's really try now.

They are the Rocky Balboa hockey team.. but inevitably lose in the end. Because eventually they find an opponent that can beat them when they hand the initiative to the other team for free.

This is not a bulls by the horn team. They're an oh shit we better get our shit together team.
They need to get punched before they realize they're in a fight.

That being the case, it's almost as if going cheap on goaltending is probably a stupid idea.

All teams have their quirks, not having a goalie here who can cover for some of those offensive lapses is a big problem.

 

[Canovin]

like who?

Rodrigue and Pickard?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Rodrigue and Pickard?

they've proven nothing

 

[Soundwave]

like who?

I mean Lankinen (875k), Talbot (2.5m), Thompson (775k), Gustavsson (3.7), Blomqvist (ELC), Stolarz (2.5m), Woll (766k), Vejmelka (2.7), Vladar (2.2) and many others are significantly outperforming Skinner this year for less money or about the same.

I'm not even sure if he's honestly even better than Pickard, Pickard has better numbers last regular season, better numbers in the playoffs, better numbers this year again, at what point do you ask the question?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yes considering Arvid and Kane are injured and RNH and Hyman are having a slow start.

And what about the guys that aren't injured? Injuries happen to every team. Basically every forward not named McDavid or Draisatl is producing at a low rate. At least RNH managed to pass Janmark for third on the team in forward points.

 

[guymez]

This team, even with the injuries, getting shut out 4 times in the first 25 games is unacceptable.

People can blame Skinner all they want and it seems like that's all some posters seem to do which is tiring (especially when he largely does his job) but it's impossible to win when you score zero goals and just about every time a goalie gives up 1 it should be good enough.

Exactly.
How anyone could watch last nights game and blame goaltending is perplexing to say the least.
Zero goals scored = bad goaltending...lol

 

[CupofOil]

Against the Rangers he had a 4-0 lead to work with and didn’t have to make an even slightly difficult save until past the halfway mark of the game. And that sequence was caused by his awful puck handling behind the net. He played well against Colorado. Last night he had three difficult stops to make out of a paltry 16 shots. Is it asking a lot for three good stops? As Jimmi pointed out … look at that save that Hill made on RNH. Just an unreal stop. Skinner can only dream.

Don't big saves at 4-0 count also? The Oilers were very leaky in that 2nd and he made plenty of big saves to preserve the big lead.

Are we going to make believe that the glove save on Hertl didn't happen?
Yeah, Hill had more action than Skinner but I will never understand how a goalie gets any blame in a 1-0 loss. Just seems silly to me and, yes, irrational hatred of a player and it certainly exists on this forum. Sorry that's just how I feel, you and others can feel free to disagree.

Just to reiterate, Skinner has been largely shit this season prior to the last 3 games so just getting that out in the open if anybody wants to call me a Skinner apologist/fanboy (not you in particular just in general).

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I mean Lankinen (875k), Talbot (2.5m), Thompson (775k), Gustavsson (3.7), Blomqvist (ELC), Stolarz (2.5m), Vejelmeka (2.7), and many others are significantly outperforming Skinner this year for less money or about the same.

I'm not even sure if he's honestly even better than Pickard, Pickard has better numbers last regular season, better numbers in the playoffs, better numbers this year again, at what point do you ask the question?

we already ran Talbot out of here in 2018 caused he sucked, amazing how he actually doesn't after all

 

[Soundwave]

we already ran Talbot out of here in 2018 caused he sucked, amazing how he actually doesn't after all

Stuart Skinner isn't Cam Talbot, this whole "Skinner is just like Fuhr/Talbot/insert other much better goalie here" shit just needs to stop.

Cam Talbot was the best Oilers player in the 2017 playoffs, better than McDavid or Draisaitl.

He had three decent to very good years here before having one bad year after his wife gave birth to twins (I'm sure that probably was a heck of a life style change).

After that he's had 5 good statistical years out of 6 seasons on multiple different teams.

Stuart Skinner is no Cam Talbot. Adin Hill is probably more in Talbot's tier, Stuart Skinner is David Riitich or Mikko Koskinen with the Oilers media machine behind him.

 

[NeverForget06]

Rodrigue and Pickard?

We're going to run a random AHL goaltender and a back up goalie to the cup final? Is that really the plan? What do you do with Skinner? Send him to the minors?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

we already ran Talbot out of here in 2018 caused he sucked, amazing how he actually doesn't after all

In 3 of his last 5 games Talbot has a sv% below .860. Skinner would be nailed to the cross with stats like those.

And just remember, sample sizes etc. Talbot's trending downward.

 

[Soundwave]

In 3 of his last 5 games Talbot has a sv% below .860. Skinner would be nailed to the cross with stats like those.

And just remember, sample sizes etc. Talbot's trending downward.

Detroit sucks and is a perpetual non-playoff team, Skinner plays behind a team that was good enough to carry him to a Cup Final a few months ago.

That's a big difference.

The Oilers probably have a 2024 Cup banner hanging from Rogers right now if Talbot had been here.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Detroit sucks and is a perpetual non-playoff team, Skinner plays behind a team that was good enough to carry him to a Cup Final a few months ago.

That's a big difference.

The Oilers probably have a 2024 Cup banner hanging from Rogers right now if Talbot had been here.

Or he gets run right out of the playoffs like he did against the Oilers and the Kings had to go to No Save Dave. I guess we can congratulate Talbot for beating the high octane Calgary Flames during that five game stretch.

 

[Soundwave]

Or he gets run right out of the playoffs like he did against the Oilers and the Kings had to go to No Save Dave. I guess we can congratulate Talbot for beating the high octane Calgary Flames during that five game stretch.

Skinner doesn't have the talent level to be Talbot, there's no chance he could do what Talbot did in the 2017 playoffs, nor would he be able to go to like what, 5 different teams (most of them not even that great) and have a save percentage that only dips below .908 one time in 6 years as Talbot has.

This isn't kindegarten where everyone gets trophy for showing up, this is the NHL. Not everyone can be good, there has to be the Riitich's, Koskinen's in your mediocre tier and then in your mid-tier you'll have your Talbots, upper mid-tier is probably Hill, upper tier is Sorokin, Shesterkin, etc.

There has to be guys in the lower tiers, Skinner is simply one of those guys. It's like the economy, there has to be poor people, not everyone can be in the upper middle or upper class.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Stuart Skinner isn't Cam Talbot, this whole "Skinner is just like Fuhr/Talbot/insert other much better goalie here" shit just needs to stop.

Cam Talbot was the best Oilers player in the 2017 playoffs, better than McDavid or Draisaitl.

He had three decent to very good years here before having one bad year after his wife gave birth to twins (I'm sure that probably was a heck of a life style change).

After that he's had 5 good statistical years out of 6 seasons on multiple different teams.

Stuart Skinner is no Cam Talbot. Adin Hill is probably more in Talbot's tier, Stuart Skinner is David Riitich or Mikko Koskinen with the Oilers media machine behind him.

And yet, despite all this, Oliers fans couldn't wait to run him outta town