FlameChampion
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My first impression of Jackson (on July 1) was that he was arrogant… but smart.
But it’s pretty much been a disaster from him since then. I don’t think hes very smart… just arrogant.
Post-Game Talk: Oilers die on the Hill
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My first impression of Jackson (on July 1) was that he was arrogant… but smart.
But it’s pretty much been a disaster from him since then. I don’t think hes very smart… just arrogant.
FlameChampion
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I watched an GYB podcast and both Rishaug and Strudwick praised him too. Stus their guy.
I blame the offense more than Skinner last night but we lose the goaltending battle 80% of the time and it gets tiring.
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Skinner was fine overall but I get the frustration. It honestly feels like the other team has the better goalie in like 90% of our games. We have to generate so much more than other teams to beat them on most nights.
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Cry more man. There's an entire thread for that.
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We're 25 games into the season and our coach still hasn't figured out this perimeter s*** isn't working?
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Holy Christ. The bolded is just...wow.
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I keep thinking about that rebound save on Nuge, and Hill doesn't get it with the Pad, he gets it with his stick held over his pad.
Like it's just not a normal move for tender, I think Hill was just really dialed in.
Not good enough for the Oilers, but sometimes it's not your night.
Like it's just not a normal move for tender, I think Hill was just really dialed in.
Not good enough for the Oilers, but sometimes it's not your night.
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Blaming two of the best players in the world and the only reason this team is even relevant while constantly pumping up Moustache's tires is certainly one way to look at this team. Oilers fans man....
Reasonable Oil Fan
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I dunno, I think there’s a lot of overreaction right now
We are in a much better situation than we were in last year at this time. We are in a playoff spot now, we’ve been playing much better as of late, we lost but we didn’t get blown out and if things keep trending this way we will win the division. It’s not the strongest in the league after all
We are in a much better situation than we were in last year at this time. We are in a playoff spot now, we’ve been playing much better as of late, we lost but we didn’t get blown out and if things keep trending this way we will win the division. It’s not the strongest in the league after all
Between the gang that couldn’t shoot straight, 29’s incredibly stupid giveaway, the Oilers consistently backing into games, and every goalie we face turning into the Vezina winner, on top of Skinner’s flub, there’s plenty of blame to go around.
If I would’ve pin it on one thing, that terrible play by 29 would have to be number one and backing into yet another game would be 1A.
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He’s the best player in the nhl. He puts the team in his back and carries it. No one else on the team except drai seems to respond to him in any meaningful way.
Players watch him play hard and go out there and then they go out and do nothing.
His body language this year has been awful with stick slams, head shaking and shoulder slumps. He’s always done that throughout his career but this year the frequency is alarming. The players aren’t responding to his methods. So yes I question it.
It doesn't "feel" that way ... it is that way, lol.
Adin Hill is a better goalie than Stuart Skinner. Full stop.
There's no planet on which Skinner could have a playoff run of .930+, you could put Chris Pronger 2006 onto this team for free and he still probably wouldn't be able to crack .915 in the playoffs.
It's like they just won't play nose down, go to the net, win every battle hockey until they absolutely have to.
The third period was full out hockey that can't be played for 60 minutes, but can we find some middle ground between limp, perimeter, pass happy bullshit hockey and what we saw in the 3rd? McDavid and Draisaitl had a total of zero shots through 40 between them and then finished with 5. Why? Why do they need to play pretty, stupid, ineffective hockey before they can just direct pucks at the net? Incredibly frustrating.
The third period was full out hockey that can't be played for 60 minutes, but can we find some middle ground between limp, perimeter, pass happy bullshit hockey and what we saw in the 3rd? McDavid and Draisaitl had a total of zero shots through 40 between them and then finished with 5. Why? Why do they need to play pretty, stupid, ineffective hockey before they can just direct pucks at the net? Incredibly frustrating.
Teams are scouting the Oilers hard, their coaches are putting in work.
Knoblaugh doesn't know how to make an offensive adjustment. Is what it is. The forwards are on their own on an island and are going to have to figure things out on their own.
Unfortunately this is probably the last night this type of game happens to this team this year. Knob has no adjustments in his playbook so they will have to learn the hard way and piss away more points.
CantHaveTkachev
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Skinner fault we've been shutout 4 times in 25 games
Oilers fans and their scapegoats...
did the "2 best players in the world" do their job last night?
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When Skinner is one of the top 5 goalies in the league year after year (as McDavid and Draisaitl are for their positions), he can earn some slack too, as is he's simply not as good as a guy like Adin Hill or a lot of starters in this league. It's why Team Canada is going to pass on this fraud even though he got carried to a Cup Final and should have had the inside track to at least make the team.
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Offense has carried this team since forever. Certainly since Skinner played his first NHL game. Countless games have been won in the past three seasons because the opposition couldn’t handle the Oilers attack. Conversely, precious few games have been won because the opposition couldn’t solve Stuart Skinner.
For the first two months of the season the team has been dealing with injuries to forwards and onboarding new players. I can’t believe that we have posters suggesting that Skinner is the victim of the Oilers inability to score. It must be upside down world. People are actually posting shit like ‘how about McDavid and Draisaitl score a goal’ and god bless JTS he even called them ‘chumps’.
Which seems more likely to you? This roster irons out some of the kinks, gets some bodies back and resumes scoring at a top five level, or Skinner suddenly learns how to show up ready to play and make the routine stops expected of an NHL netminder? I know which one my money would be on.
And I agree that it is ‘tiring’ to have to read about Skinner every night, but he’s brought it on himself. Check my post history. I’m not a hater. But I’m just about done with a guy who can’t do his part when called upon.
Skinner's numbers this year are about identical to David Riitich ... he's basically just a David Riitich tier goalie. Riitich had some OK years for the Flames playing a large number of games too. That's the tier of goalie he is, the sooner this org accepts reality on that, the better off they'll be.
just to be the devil’s advocate, last year we went on two crazy runs winning something like 30 games over two separate win streaks. That’s not going to happen this year.
We are tied with Colorado for the last playoff spot in the west, a wild card, and only because we played one fewer game than Colorado.
Our division is stronger than anticipated and our chance to win the division probably died last night with our second loss to Vegas, who are now seven points up on us. Like it or not they have our number it seems.
And that’s what makes it so frustrating when we absolutely dominate the last period in another panic period to try to tie a hockey game because we backed into the game to begin with and put the gun to our forehead like we always seem to do.
It’s become obvious that the Oilers cannot outscore their mistakes this year and rely on the power play as they have in the last five years because the refs are barely calling any against our opponents and our pop gun offense.
Which is why 29 stupid conehead giveaway at our blue line and Skinner fumbling the winning goal is maddening to a lot of people.
I am trying my best to stay as positive as possible, but it’s getting hard to ignore the writing on the wall with this team and the way it’s been constructed.
Management strategy is to accrue cap space but with the salary cap going up, many contenders will also be in the same position and many will have a lot more to spend, so I’m not sure that it’s a winning strategy / gamble, especially given that this strategy cost us 2 first round draft picks lost to offer sheets that even casual fans saw coming but Oilers management did not.
So this was a frustrating loss, to me on par with even getting blown out 8-1. Not showing up for two periods and making egregious mistakes on the one nothing goal to me are just inexcusable anymore, but then I look at the team construct and point my finger at McDavid‘s old agent and Bowman.
CantHaveTkachev
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It's tiring reading about him being scapegoated after a 1-0 loss. It's tiring seeing people rip on him after giving up 4 goals in the last 3 games to high octane offenses.Offense has carried this team since forever. Certainly since Skinner played his first NHL game. Countless games have been won in the past three seasons because the opposition couldn’t handle the Oilers attack. Conversely, precious few games have been won because the opposition couldn’t solve Stuart Skinner.
For the first two months of the season the team has been dealing with injuries to forwards and onboarding new players. I can’t believe that we have posters suggesting that Skinner is the victim of the Oilers inability to score. It must be upside down world. People are actually posting shit like ‘how about McDavid and Draisaitl score a goal’ and god bless JTS he even called them ‘chumps’.
Which seems more likely to you? This roster irons out some of the kinks, gets some bodies back and resumes scoring at a top five level, or Skinner suddenly learns how to show up ready to play and make the routine stops expected of an NHL netminder? I know which one my money would be on.
And I agree that it is ‘tiring’ to have to read about Skinner every night, but he’s brought it on himself. Check my post history. I’m not a hater. But I’m just about done with a guy who can’t do his part when called upon.
All the other criticisms are fair when he's not playing well and he's earned plenty of criticism this year but to constantly criticize him when he does play well just seems unhealthy to me, like an irrational hatred for the player.
Probably won't be the last time this year. Other team's coaching staffs are clearly putting in a lot of work scouting us, Knoblaugh as far as I can tell does nothing offensively but throw McDavid out onto the ice.
The coach doesn't know how to make an offensive adjustment, forwards will be stuck on their own trying to figure everything out most likely and that will take some time.
Seriously? Because they bring it every freaking game and have bailed out the team a countless number of times since being drafted. It’s okay if others step up too
Skinner's contemporaries are Riitich, Georgeiv, Silovs, Cayden Primeau, Pickard at an NHL level. That's about his talent level/roof.
He's not in a tier with the Adin Hills of the world let alone the tier above that.
He's not in a tier with the Adin Hills of the world let alone the tier above that.
