Post-Game Talk: Oilers die on the Hill

[foshizzle]

Skinner fault we've been shutout 4 times in 25 games

Oilers fans and their scapegoats...

did the "2 best players in the world" do their job last night?

Skinner is at the bottom of the league in goals saved above expected, low danger save %, medium danger save %, and 31st in high danger save % this season- but sure- blame the 2 players who have carried this organization for 10 years

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Seriously? Because they bring it every freaking game and have bailed out the team a countless number of times since being drafted. It’s okay if others step up too

so you expected the shutout from Skinner last night?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Skinner is at the bottom of the league in goals saved above expected, low danger save %, medium danger save %, and 31st in high danger save % this season- but sure- blame the 2 players who have carried this organization for 10 years

the blame lie squarely on the players who didn't do their jobs last night...of course it is lol

 

[Soundwave]

so you expected the shutout from Skinner last night?

I don't ever expect a shutout from Skinner, lulz. That's a huge ask of him, who do you think he is? Adin Hill?

 

[foshizzle]

It's tiring reading about him being scapegoated after a 1-0 loss. It's tiring seeing people rip on him after giving up 4 goals in the last 3 games to high octane offenses.

All the other criticisms are fair when he's not playing well and he's earned plenty of criticism this year but to constantly criticize him when he does play well just seems unhealthy to me, like an irrational hatred for the player.

The reason he gets heat is because he is horribly inconsistent and is usually the second best goalie playing. He got praise in that Colorado game. He is being criticized tonight because he let in a softie. Further to that- these types of goals kill you in the playoffs. I would love to see Skinner with an actual proven goalie coach.

so you expected the shutout from Skinner last night?

I expected him not to let in a weak ass goal again. Did you expect no one other and 97/29 to produce offence?

 

[Soundwave]

The reason he gets heat is because he is horribly inconsistent and is usually the second best goalie playing. He got praise in that Colorado game. He is being criticized tonight because he let in a softie. Further to that- these types of goals kill you in the playoffs. I would love to see Skinner with an actual proven goalie coach.


I expected him not to let in a weak ass goal again

Actually one should expect that.

In a tight low/no scoring game, if there's going to be only 1 softer goal given up as a freebie to the other team, it's basically 9/10 times Skinner will be the unfortunate goalie allowing it, not whoever is in net for the other team.

 

[foshizzle]

the blame lie squarely on the players who didn't do their jobs last night...of course it is lol

Sure. Blame them. They didn’t score. You’re missing the whole point. Draisaitl and McDavid consistently show up. Skinner doesn’t. Now let’s hear you put the blame squarely on Skinner when he has performed bottom tier goalie level this year (which is most of the games)

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Sure. Blame them. They didn’t score. Now let’s hear you put the blame squarely on Skinner when he has performed bottom tier goalie level this year (which is most of the games)

Skinner hasn't been good enough this year, he's average at best but he's paid to be "average" not Hellebuyck level

the offense on the other hand, is paid to be top tier and is one of the worst in the league and have been shutout 4 times already (almost 5 but got one with second left against the Jackets)

PP is awful and yes, that is on the top players

 

[Soundwave]

Skinner hasn't been good enough this year, he's average at best but he's paid to be "average" not Hellebuyck level

the offense on the other hand, is paid to be top tier and is one of the worst in the league and have been shutout 4 times already (almost 5 but got one with second left against the Jackets)

PP is awful and yes, that is on the top players

Well for one he's not average, he's been below average this year.

In a tight game, low scoring game like that, it's pretty much an auto loss for the Oilers. Because it basically comes down to which goalie blinks first, and Skinner will blink first almost all the time.

We never win tight, low scoring games because we're the team that got the benefit of a wishy washy goal, it's always the other team going home with the W in that scenario.

Kevin Lankinen (making 875k) is better than Stuart Skinner.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Well for one he's not average, he's been below average this year.

In a tight game, low scoring game like that, it's pretty much an auto loss for the Oilers. Because it basically comes down to which goalie blinks first, and Skinner will blink first almost all the time.

We never win tight, low scoring games because we're the team that got the benefit of a wishy washy goal, it's always the other team going home with the W in that scenario.

we did in the playoffs....twice

 

[Soundwave]

we did in the playoffs....twice

Yeah and it took them to spring to be able to play almost mistake free D and limit chances to a suffocating level.

This is more of what you get from Skinner in a normalized setting. That team was playing structured out of their ass last spring to carry this guy to the Final.

Skinner is a David Riitich tier goalie, is what he is. The hope I guess was he'd come in this year and show significant growth using the Finals experience as a spring board to grow his game and hang with the "big boys", but it's becoming more obvious he simply doesn't have the talent for that.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Yeah and it took them to spring to be able to play almost mistake free D and limit chances to a suffocating level.

This is more of what you get from Skinner in a normalized setting. That team was playing structured out of their ass last spring to carry this guy to the Final.

also managed to score the odd goal once and awhile

here's a tip: you won't win any games if you manage to score 0 goals

 

[Soundwave]

also managed to score the odd goal once and awhile

here's a tip: you won't win any games if you manage to score 0 goals

Here's a tip: you're going to struggle when you rely that heavily on your PP to score goals and it isn't delivering because other teams have made adjustments and your coach won't do anything in response.

Everyone marks down when Florida or Edmonton are on the schedule, because both were in the Finals last year and they prep harder for those games than other random games.

That's how it's supposed to work. You should be getting up to play the two teams that were in the previous year's Final.

Our coaching staff isn't prepared to handle that so the players are basically left on their own to figure this out, and they probably will lose a few more games just like this this year as a result (enjoy the division win, Vegas). Knob doesn't have any adjustments or creativity offensively in his playbook it looks like, burying Jeff Skinner on the bottom 6 when you're not scoring and have a ton of injuries in favor of Connor Brown is also monumentally stupid coaching.

And Stuart Skinner just isn't equipped to go toe to toe with a guy like Adin Hill (let alone goalies even above his ability).

 

[harpoon]

t's tiring reading about him being scapegoated after a 1-0 loss.

I don’t see that happening. I see plenty of people criticizing Draisaitl for making an ill-advised pass. And lots of criticism of perimeter play, over passing and dawdling through the first thirty minutes of the game.

It's tiring seeing people rip on him after giving up 4 goals in the last 3 games to high octane offenses.

Against the Rangers he had a 4-0 lead to work with and didn’t have to make an even slightly difficult save until past the halfway mark of the game. And that sequence was caused by his awful puck handling behind the net. He played well against Colorado. Last night he had three difficult stops to make out of a paltry 16 shots. Is it asking a lot for three good stops? As Jimmi pointed out … look at that save that Hill made on RNH. Just an unreal stop. Skinner can only dream.

but to constantly criticize him when he does play well just seems unhealthy to me, like an irrational hatred for the player.

And what about the posters who are all over every thread with the ‘Skinner can do no wrong’ posts even when he stinks it up? Always with the excuses. To me that’s even more irrational and tiring.

 

[Duke74]

I hope the boys enjoyed their two-day binge on the Vegas strip.

 

[Soundwave]

I hope the boys enjoyed their two-day binge on the Vegas strip.

Why not I suppose, they gifted Vegas 2 points a few weeks ago too with a freebie win, why not another. Next game against Vegas is probably an auto loss too if Hill is in.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

No team in NHL history has ever won a game without putting a single puck in the net. This offense goes as McDavid and Draisatl take them and when teams key in on them (as Vegas did last night), the Oilers more often than not will not win. This is not a championship caliber offense right now.

The Oilers lost the game because they didn't score. That's all there is to it.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

the Oilers should have won if McDavid and Draisaitl did their jobs...why are they let off the hook?

You're going to sit there and tell me that McDavid wasn't working his tail off out there especially in the 3rd?

 

[K1984]

No team in NHL history has ever won a game without putting a single puck in the net. This offense goes as McDavid and Draisatl take them and when teams key in on them (as Vegas did last night), the Oilers more often than not will not win. This is not a championship caliber offense right now.

The Oilers lost the game because they didn't score. That's all there is to it.

Vegas keying in on them wasn't why they had zero shots through two periods then 5 in the third alone. They effectively choose this outcome with a combination of refusing to shoot the puck when they had Grade A looks and refusing to make a play to the net unless they've cycled it around the zone for 2 minutes. Then only when they realize its crunch time did they decide to actually do things that create offensive opportunities.

They had more than enough opportunities to create looks in the first 40, they just chose not to. Both of them have been fantastic lately, but they seem to have decided to jump into a time machine back to the first 10 games of the year where they were allergic to the middle of the ice or shooting until they absolutely had to.

 

[Stoneman89]

Skinner is Hill's bitch, lol.

I'd say it's more like McDavid/Draisaitl and co. that are the bitches, since they are the ones directly involved with Hill and trying to score on him. And sadly, no lol for that.

 

[Soundwave]

I'd say it's more like McDavid/Draisaitl and co. that are the bitches, since they are the ones directly involved with Hill and trying to score on him. And sadly, no lol for that.

The entire team is, Hill is simply outstanding against us. He's clearly a talent tier well above the Stuart Skinner's of the world, Skinner is a David Riitich tier talent. The sooner this org understands that, the better off it will be.

And that's no slight on Riitich ... Riitich has had some good runs in this league too, he's just ... mediocre.

 

[Stoneman89]

You're going to sit there and tell me that McDavid wasn't working his tail off out there especially in the 3rd?

They worked hard but unfortunately, they are paid to score and didn't do much of that. A combination of too much fancy-dan perimeter play, a big mistake in a tight game, stifling Vegas clogging around the net, and solid play by Hill.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Vegas keying in on them wasn't why they had zero shots through two periods then 5 in the third alone. They effectively choose this outcome with a combination of refusing to shoot the puck when they had Grade A looks and refusing to make a play to the net unless they've cycled it around the zone for 2 minutes. Then only when they realize its crunch time did they decide to actually do things that create offensive opportunities.

They had more than enough opportunities to create looks in the first 40, they just chose not to. Both of them have been fantastic lately, but they seem to have decided to jump into a time machine back to the first 10 games of the year where they were allergic to the middle of the ice or shooting until they absolutely had to.

I certainly don't disagree with anything you said. I do think Vegas deserves credit for keeping the Oilers largely to the outside for the first two periods but at the same time I don't think the Oilers worked all that hard either.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

No team in NHL history has ever won a game without putting a single puck in the net. This offense goes as McDavid and Draisatl take them and when teams key in on them (as Vegas did last night), the Oilers more often than not will not win. This is not a championship caliber offense right now.

The Oilers lost the game because they didn't score. That's all there is to it.

Imagine if there was a 5 minute overtime and a shootout to determine a winner if no one scores after regulation. A team has never won 1-0 in a shootout, impossible.

This team, even with the injuries, getting shut out 4 times in the first 25 games is unacceptable.

People can blame Skinner all they want and it seems like that's all some posters seem to do which is tiring (especially when he largely does his job) but it's impossible to win when you score zero goals and just about every time a goalie gives up 1 it should be good enough.

if he didn't let in that putrid goal this game could've been won in OT or the SO. How anyone can absolve Stu's play just because Hill was much better is mind boggling. Vegas wasn't doing much offensively but expecting Stu to hold the fort is too much?

ok

doesn't change the fact Oilers scored 0 goals last night

Vegas shouldn't have either, his shit play on that goal cost us at least a point last night.

so you expected the shutout from Skinner last night?

Based on the chances that he faced in comparison to Hill why shouldn't we have expected a shutout?

Skinner hasn't been good enough this year, he's average at best but he's paid to be "average" not Hellebuyck level

the offense on the other hand, is paid to be top tier and is one of the worst in the league and have been shutout 4 times already (almost 5 but got one with second left against the Jackets)

PP is awful and yes, that is on the top players

Average at best is putting lipstick on a pig. He's been shit and unplayable for most of the season. So has the PP and a number of our skaters offensively. That does not absolve him of his shit play.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

They worked hard but unfortunately, they are paid to score and didn't do much of that. A combination of too much fancy-dan perimeter play, a big mistake in a tight game, stifling Vegas clogging around the net, and solid play by Hill.

Some games that happens. Imagine having a goalie that can hold the fort in the 3rd like Hill did. Must be nice.