Confirmed Signing with Link: Oilers decline to match offer sheets for Broberg and Holloway

[Thallis]

From everyone. The Blues just announced to the league that they think offer sheets are perfectly reasonable and a completely normal way of lowball acquiring young talents.

whenever the Blues get around to drafting and developing any such young talents, it's open season. And not just from Edmonton.

Every manager thinks this, it's just that the conditions are rarely right for a successful one.

 

[McFlyingV]

So Broberg went from stud to trash after the offer sheet. Then from trash to stud when Ceci got traded ("haha you won't be getting him afterall) and now back to trash I assume. Interesting career trajectory lol.

I'm sure there's been some crazy extremes on both sides as this is HF mainboards which have some of the most hilariously bad and dramatic takes. Think he's somewhere in the middle. A player with a lot of potential who could be a top 4 this year, but who could also barely be an NHLer making almost 5mil. I think he'll be closer to the latter, but I also won't be surprised if he ends up a bottom pairing quality D this year. Still like his potential, but don't know if he still has top pair upside like he may have a few years ago.

 

[Rowlet]

That's the right move, keeping Broberg would have been a bad idea

 

[nerevarine]

Another fantastic show of gming by stan bowman, a 2nd is worth far more than a bottom pairing defenseman signed at 4.6m. Next year, st Louis will have to add a 2nd just to get rid of that contract

 

[DingerMcSlapshot]

Not even close to reality. Teams have done this for years to RFAs who had no arb rights. Especially with players who have no yet shown to be top 9 or top 4 players over a full season. I think both will get there, but neither had shown nearly enough consistently to deserve much of a pay raise.

Yams snd Poolparty?

 

[Canovin]

Emberson is 1 year older than Broberg.
Podkolzin is the same age is Holloway.

Savoie is also younger than McLeod

 

[GOilers88]

Likewise, the Oilers just showed the league how not to treat your young RFAs so I'm sure other GMs are taking note. Especially when you have no cap space to work with.

The only thing out of the ordinary here is St. Louis offersheeting two players on the same team. Every single year teams let their RFA's cook until the end.

Nobody mistreated anyone, and Armstrong deserves credit for a savvy move.

 

[McFlyingV]

I would have wanted to see what the reaction would have been like if Blues had offered a 2nd round pick for Broberg.

It's kind of funny how perception changes because of his play in the playoffs which was good, but not great. I don't think many had him pegged as 1st round value when he reportedly requested a trade early last year when he was sent down to the AHL. Maybe late 1st round, but his stock had definitely fallen before rising after these playoffs.

 

[oconnor9sean]

From everyone. The Blues just announced to the league that they think offer sheets are perfectly reasonable and a completely normal way of lowball acquiring young talents.

whenever the Blues get around to drafting and developing any such young talents, it's open season. And not just from Edmonton.

Abiding by the rules of the CBA is not lowballing anyone lmao

 

[Peter Griffin]

And I think that's still the plan. People need to slow down and realize that Edmonton doesn't need an upgrade on Ceci to make the playoffs. They need an upgrade on him when the playoffs start.

That’s a great idea, but with limited draft capital to trade and top 4 defense, especially RD, a premium at the deadline, are they going to be able to outbid other teams?

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

Why? Because they were supposed to be a 2nd wave of cheap depth in the contending years. That's how teams stay competitive for longer than 5 year windows. Those players are no longer cheap depth, they're expensive depth who still haven't proven enough for a team like Edmonton to pay them that much.

No, it isn’t.

Pittsburgh won back to back titles once they realized Sid and Geno needed grown ups and not kids who didn’t know what they were doing.

the Lightning, Kings, Hawks, Avs - pick a champion.

The teenagers that drive them are the franchise players. But if the choice is a kid can’t take a regular shift in the playoffs or Barclay goodrow or Antoine Vermette, a contender takes the established player.

 

[McFlyingV]

Yams snd Poolparty?

Neither of those players showed all that much either and ended up getting pretty fair contracts for how they performed. I guess that's a pretty good example of why you don't overpay unproven RFAs.

 

[Peter Griffin]

From everyone. The Blues just announced to the league that they think offer sheets are perfectly reasonable and a completely normal way of lowball acquiring young talents.

whenever the Blues get around to drafting and developing any such young talents, it's open season. And not just from Edmonton.

Yea, Carolina sure has been a target since overpaying KK.

 

[McFlyingV]

That’s a great idea, but with limited draft capital to trade and top 4 defense, especially RD, a premium at the deadline, are they going to be able to outbid other teams?

Tanev went for a 2nd rounder last year.

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

Neither of those players showed all that much either and ended up getting pretty fair contracts for how they performed. I guess that's a pretty good example of why you don't overpay unproven RFAs.

Or they could’ve just drafted Matt Tkachuk when they had the chance instead of falling all over themselves to draft a guy the Blue Jackets passed on.

 

[McFlyingV]

No, it isn’t.

Pittsburgh won back to back titles once they realized Sid and Geno needed grown ups and not kids who didn’t know what they were doing.

the Lightning, Kings, Hawks, Avs - pick a champion.

The teenagers that drive them are the franchise players. But if the choice is a kid can’t take a regular shift in the playoffs or Barclay goodrow or Antoine Vermette, a contender takes the established player.

All of those teams had a couple young depth players sprinkled in.

Or they could’ve just drafted Matt Tkachuk when they had the chance instead of falling all over themselves to draft a guy the Blue Jackets passed on.

I see you're a "live 10 years in the past" kind of guy lol.

 

[Stelmacki]

Another fantastic show of gming by stan bowman, a 2nd is worth far more than a bottom pairing defenseman signed at 4.6m. Next year, st Louis will have to add a 2nd just to get rid of that contract

Lol another flip flop from Baghdad Bob.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Abiding by the rules of the CBA is not lowballing anyone lmao

right, they added a third and a prospect because they definitely weren't lowballing lmao

 

[AvroArrow]

It's actually crazy to me that people are now saying that losing Ceci is going to hurt the Oilers bad. This guy was shit on for 3 years straight for his play in the playoffs sinking the Oilers. We also have people claiming he and Desharnais are the reason the Oilers PK was good? That's hilarious given that it was entirely the system and the aggressive sticks of the forwards that made it so good in the playoffs, the chemistry of the forward pairings, and people buying in at the right time. There's a reason why the PK wasn't that good in the regular season.

It's funny because everyone else was saying how shit Ceci is and it was Oilers fans arguing that he's been great since coming there

 

[Czechboy]

It sucks... I think we will be fine overall but I liked both guys. Really curious if they can take the next step in St Louis...

 

[Ol' Jase]

At the end of the day, I'm OK with the team not matching the deals, but the Oilers are not a better team than they were with these two in the system. Regardless of the moves they have made, there is a lot of work to do.

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

Which teams have moved a ELC range player for draft picks like that? Teams would move mid to later 20's as that player approaches free agency, like a DCat. Even rebuilding teams would keep those kids.

There are always teams for one reason or another who are looking to move off a young quality RFA.

 

[AvroArrow]

From everyone. The Blues just announced to the league that they think offer sheets are perfectly reasonable and a completely normal way of lowball acquiring young talents.

whenever the Blues get around to drafting and developing any such young talents, it's open season. And not just from Edmonton.

Why didn't Edmonton just match or offer their own contracts to the RFA's ? Better question, why did the ex-Oilers players accept ? They obviously wanted out.

Every team has the ability to match an offer-sheet, if it was actually such a lowball, Edmonton easily matches. Just sounds like poor management.

 

[Stelmacki]

It's kind of funny how perception changes because of his play in the playoffs which was good, but not great. I don't think many had him pegged as 1st round value when he reportedly requested a trade early last year when he was sent down to the AHL. Maybe late 1st round, but his stock had definitely fallen before rising after these playoffs.

Blues were already targeting him before his playoff performance with a deal centered around Buchnevich.

 

[amnesiac]

Cap

Cap flexibility.

wouldve made a lot more sense to trade Ceci prior to July 1.... going into the season with Nurse-Kulak-Stetcher-Emberson as your bottom 4 doesnt look like a Cup contending team all of a sudden.