Confirmed Signing with Link: Oilers decline to match offer sheets for Broberg and Holloway

[JPT]

Because they are overpaying for mediocre players

Wouldn't that just reduce his competitiveness? Seems like other GMs would be ambivalent at best.

 

[GreeningOil]

what was the point of trading Ceci?

Perhaps to make a move for a better player in that position?

 

[PocketNines]

the tears in this thread are hilarious.

Hayes? lmao

every GM hates the Blues? lmao

slap in the face to the players that Edm didn't match? lmao

keep it up this early pages we can do this boys

 

[Double Dion]

I member when Ken Holland was callled an idiot for drafting Broberg....now that's he's not an Oiler, he'll be considered a stud with tremendous upside

He's not a stud. He's a bottom pairing defenseman with middle pairing potential. St. Louis overpaid. Edmonton had to walk on these 2. Keep the cap, get a top 4 RD in season. Ideally one that can babysit Nurse like Ekholm babysits Bouchard.

 

[McDrai]

Oilers brass made the right decision not to match considering their current cap structure as well as optics (multiple players took discounts to play here so overpaying 2 younger more unproven players may have caused a rift in the locker room). I thought they did a decent job in trying to fill the gaps that would be left by Broberg and Holloway given the circumstances. Shrewd move by Armstrong on this one as he caught the Oilers with their pants down. Other organizations around the league should take notes.

 

[dgibb10]

We had to pay to dump Hayes regardless. If you really want to look at it through a scope like that you need to add in that one 3rd came from taking on Matthieu Joseph.

Dumping hayes + broberg at 4.6+ holloway at 2.2 is the same cap situation as hayes buried in AHL (2.4) + Broberg at 1.8+ holloway at 1.2 (their reported contract asks).

Well actually you've still added about 1 mill AAV but I digress.

if you want to include joseph it's

2nd+2nd+3rd+Hayes+8 million dollars for Broberg+Joseph+Holloway

8 million dollars is a significant amount of money to eat. Personally I wouldn't, and based on the history, eat 4 mill x 2 for anything less than a 1st

Edit: you added another 3rd+prospect for future considerations

 

[GreeningOil]

Players don't like being short changed.

Perhaps their on ice results should match the dollars they want?

Typical young people things (I’m a young person too, and I want more than I’m worth lol)

 

[Oilslick941611]

Broberg & Holloway for 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, & okay prospect….

Well played Blues

The inflated contracts for the RFA made the guys damaged assets for the Oilers. They were going to make a reported 3.9M more in total than what they were negotiating for. 3.9M is too important right now

This is really what comes down to.

Broberg at 4.6 is just too much and hopefully it screws up the blues with RFA negotiations in the few years that follow. He’s shown absolutely nothing to say he’s worth that cap hit.

 

[Three On Zero]

Sure, for Broberg at the 1.8 mill AAV he was asking for it isn't enough in trade value

When you pay him an extra 5.6 mill total that changes the equation significantly.

Changing any players AAV by nearly 3 mill will significantly change their value.

No no no, young players want to win the cup over making money! Both these guys were expected to be happy with league minimum contracts

 

[Stelmacki]

This has got to be rough for the oilers fan who went nuts on the Blues board after the Ceci trade.

 

[Mr Positive]

Kotkaniemi was a 1st and 3rd round pick.

Thats the thing about offersheets you have to pay.

If Broberg ends up sucking well the 2nd is roughly a 15% chance at a NHLer

I think its safe to say Broberg will be a NHLer just perhaps not 4 million dollar one. If you have cap space they came ahead.

Imo Broberg is a safe bet. I guess St.Louis found the right cap number that forced Edmonton's hand

 

[Kingsfan1]

Just wait until the Oilers take the Kings again this year in 4 games.

Lolll . Do you really think you did something with your reply ? Haha !

I expect it and im perfectly okay with it 2 STANLEY CUPS IN THE LAST DECADE THAT I GOT TO WITNESS FIRST HAND ! Oilers havent won anything while you been alive and guess what you guys aint winning shet anytime soon either ! Lollll cheers mate haha

 

[Larry Hanson]

The offer sheet salaries are obviously way too high but the dollars/term that the Oilers were offering were just as ridiculous. Gotta think this whole situation could have been avoided if both players had been tendered reasonable offers from the get go. If they were going to trade Ceci anyway they should have just locked up both players for around 3M months ago.

 

[Beauterham]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1825888786883989994

Greasing the skids to make it easier for EDM to agree?

Edit: Or possibly a "here's some extra stuff, please don't be petty about this in the future"?

Hmm... Sad to see Paul Fischer go as I think he definitely had NHL upside, but we're quite deep at LHD so it's fine.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Awesome! Offer sheets should happen more often

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Imo Broberg is a safe bet. I guess St.Louis found the right cap number that forced Edmonton's hand

Atleaat it's not the NBA

Yall get a 2nd and 3rd and Blues gave another 3rd.

Then you gave a 4th and 3rd away. Atleast yall get picks.

 

[GreeningOil]

Lolll . Do you really think you did something with your reply ? Haha !

I expect it and im perfectly okay with it 2 STANLEY CUPS IN THE LAST DECADE THAT I GOT TO WITNESS FIRST HAND ! Oilers havent won anything while you been alive and guess what you guys aint winning shet anytime soon either ! Lollll cheers mate haha

You think you did something here? Bro the Kings have been SPANKED and embarrassed themselves yet again with PLD.

Sleep well with your cup memories. You won’t see one more for a long, long, time.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Oilers better hope Ekholm doesn’t regress this year. If he does, that defense will be atrocious.

 

[stl76]

Lost in all this is the fact that Paul Fischer is a very good prospect who has a good chance to be an NHL player IMO. Don’t let the “5th round pick” description fool you, it hurts to lose him and Edmonton will be very glad they got him.

 

[Reality Czech]

Dumping hayes + broberg at 4.6+ holloway at 2.2 is the same cap situation as hayes buried in AHL (2.4) + Broberg at 1.8+ holloway at 1.2 (their reported contract asks).

Well actually you've still added about 1 mill AAV but I digress.

if you want to include joseph it's

2nd+2nd+3rd+Hayes+8 million dollars for Broberg+Joseph+Holloway

8 million dollars is a significant amount of money to eat. Personally I wouldn't, and based on the history, eat 4 mill x 2 for anything less than a 1st

Edit: you added another 3rd+prospect for future considerations

Keep in mind that getting rid of Hayes is actually a positive, not negative for the Blues. So move negative Hayes and the money we're not paying him over to the Blues side of the equation.

 

[TurgPavs]

Andy Strickland was on 101.1 in St. Louis, and reported that both Broberg and Holloway had multiple Teams send offer sheets.
Most where in the same AAV range.
Again according to Andy Strickland.

Said both payers and their agents where pretty Pizzed off at the low ball offers and lack of dialogue on their offers.

 

[Rubi]

On the bright side the Oilers now have a reason to show up for the 2025 draft.

 

[PocketNines]

yeah the Paul Fischer piece of it we don't like, sounds like the Blues coughed up a little extra value to ensure this outcome

 

[BlueDream]

Lost in all this is the fact that Paul Fischer is a very good prospect who has a good chance to be an NHL player IMO. Don’t let the “5th round pick” description fool you, it hurts to lose him and Edmonton will be very glad they got him.

Not even a top 15 prospect for us and arguably top 20. He’s not “very good” and his NHL future is very much a big question mark. If he does make it, it’s likely as a bottom pairing guy and not as an impact player.

Thus, he’s already been replaced pretty easily in our organization.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Dumping hayes + broberg at 4.6+ holloway at 2.2 is the same cap situation as hayes buried in AHL (2.4) + Broberg at 1.8+ holloway at 1.2 (their reported contract asks).

Well actually you've still added about 1 mill AAV but I digress.

if you want to include joseph it's

2nd+2nd+3rd+Hayes+8 million dollars for Broberg+Joseph+Holloway

8 million dollars is a significant amount of money to eat. Personally I wouldn't, and based on the history, eat 4 mill x 2 for anything less than a 1st

Edit: you added another 3rd+prospect for future considerations

Didn’t see the addition at the time.

Regardless, that cap space is pretty meaningless for the Blues. We aren’t looking to trade either player. Their cap hits line up with when we have some guys coming off the books.

We’re in a situation where we are affording young players ice time. I’d rather them give a 2019 8th overall and 2020 14th overall pick an extended look within our group than use the cap space to acquire 3rds and help out other teams.

We’ve drafted 19 players over the last two drafts. 10 in the first 3 rounds, and 4 in the 1st. Prospect pool depth isn’t going to be a concern for a while.