Buy into a defensive system for one.
Oilers culture issues
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KeithIsActuallyBad
You thrust your pelvis, huh!
KeithIsActuallyBad
You thrust your pelvis, huh!
That's literally what they did last year.
They didn't win because the Oilers have terrible management.
That was not a defensive system lol, although as a team they did play pretty effective defense.
KeithIsActuallyBad
You thrust your pelvis, huh!
Okay, than seems to be a contradiction but sure.
I remember how "defensive" Colorado was in 2022. But they have better management so ergo they won.
The question was what did Crosby do that 97 didn't in the playoffs. I don't believe that McDavid would buy into the extremely risk-averse system with few offensive opportunities that the 2017 Pens won with, or the trapping style under Therrien that Crosby also has success with even though it wasn't ideal for top offensive players. Usually when teams switch coaches they look for someone who will have the team playing somewhat differently. The fact that the Oilers have played very similarly for all 4 full time head coaches in 97's career suggests that he isn't willing to play any other way.
kugelbahn
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To be fair to Oilers you might start thinking it is a Canadian culture issue 
Odds of 7 teams in 30-teams league not to win a trophy in 30 years are:
(29/30)^(7*30) = 0.000911
or
0.0911%
Odds of 7 teams in 30-teams league not to win a trophy in 30 years are:
(29/30)^(7*30) = 0.000911
or
0.0911%
BackToTheBrierePatch
eff cancer
If culture is a issue for the Oilers then John Tortorella is the coach for you
I Hate Blake Coleman
F*** the oilers
Fits right in with an old boys club who should've been Old Yeller'd in 2006.
mcdingdong
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Golf course? Aren't you a Flames fan? lmao you'll have 20 rounds in after the Flames season ends before the playoffs are over.
Be able to still produce at a league best level within a defensive system.
mcdingdong
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I'll tell you one thing Crosby has never done in playoffs that McDavid has done a couple of times - actually score and not rely on the likes of Max Talbot and Phil Kessel to carry his ass to a cup. I mean, look at Crosby's scoring history in the finals, it's totally incongruent with his regular season performance. Why does Crosby get so much credit for playing against opposing checking lines to a 50/50 stalemate and having his depth win for him, and McDavid/Draisaitl get vilified for absolutely carrying a shallow team to game 7? Makes no sense.
Oilslick941611
slapshot into the empty net...utterly irrelevant
That assumes every team has the same odds of the winning the cup.To be fair to Oilers you might start thinking it is a Canadian culture issue
Odds of 7 teams in 30-teams league not to win a trophy in 30 years are:
(29/30)^(7*30) = 0.000911
or
0.0911%
Oilslick941611
slapshot into the empty net...utterly irrelevant
you have nothing to cheer for in a rebuild you end up deluding yourself to cheer for things like that.
The nhl draft is too young, the age needs to be raised to at least 20. Teams are taking too many fliers on kids and trying to project what theyll be in 5-8 years. It needs to be like the NFL. These players need leagues to play in until they are 20-22 and get drafted and make immediate impact on the league and help the team. It would make for a far more interesting league to weed out long shots before the draft.
Czechboy
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That decade of darkness was rough. Arguing about culture and wait for the kids for 10 f***en years.lol
NeverForget06
Here we go again !
This is just because the Avs bottom 6 forwards and bottom pair d is a bunch of randos, not less so a sign of injuries to significant pieces
And they traded both goalies away and a bunch of forwards
Beef Invictus
Revolutionary Positivity
I've watched the Flyers spend a decade trying to build via culture, and I've concluded that culture is bullshit. It can't be forced, or "fixed." And you don't have to look around the world of sports for very long to find that it isn't necessary for winning. Lots of teams with objectively wretched culture end up winning.
Czechboy
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Using my oilers.. apparently we were building the most virtuous team in history. Hall has to go cause of culture. Then we bring in Smith, Perry and kane.lol.
Video Nasty
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Two words: legacy preservation.
Little things like sitting on the bench for the majority of Game 7 during his first Cup win and watching his teammates make sure he wasn’t Cupless until his 11th season in the league or not winning a Conn Smythe until season 11 have never mattered when pumping Crosby’s tires. Little things like scoring a grand total of two goals across three Cup wins can be waved away when one can simply pretend that lockdown defense was the reason why.
They know Crosby will sit lower than McDavid when the dust settles on the all-time rankings and are scrambling to enjoy the dwindling months they have left.
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barkovcanfinnish
remember to breathe
You can build a good culture within a franchise, but you need the right group to embrace it.
I think Edmonton is trying to recreate the culture they had in the 80s, with their superstar players contributing most of the offense and the supporting cast playing the physical and defensive style, with some key guys providing both.
Not saying that's a completely wrong mindset to have today, but there doesn't seem to be much overlap in their current setup. Not sure if that's an issue of culture or the build of the team. I think Edmonton needs to embrace the idea of their middle-six contributing more on the offensive side instead of locking them into the style of "grind and shut down".
I think they hoped they'd get better offensive contributions from middle-six guys like Skinner and Arvidsson but they've seemed underwhelming so far. Is that a culture issue? Hard to say.
That's just the view of an opposing fan though.
I think Edmonton is trying to recreate the culture they had in the 80s, with their superstar players contributing most of the offense and the supporting cast playing the physical and defensive style, with some key guys providing both.
Not saying that's a completely wrong mindset to have today, but there doesn't seem to be much overlap in their current setup. Not sure if that's an issue of culture or the build of the team. I think Edmonton needs to embrace the idea of their middle-six contributing more on the offensive side instead of locking them into the style of "grind and shut down".
I think they hoped they'd get better offensive contributions from middle-six guys like Skinner and Arvidsson but they've seemed underwhelming so far. Is that a culture issue? Hard to say.
That's just the view of an opposing fan though.
MoneyManny
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I been saying that for years. The NHL draft sucks and isn't effective at making rebuilding teams competitive.
Worse, it leashes a talented player to a loser team for a number of years.
DingerMcSlapshot
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Good where it's at. It is a gamble at 18 or 20. 1/100 both ways. Raise the Draft age, it's possible European Leagues would benefit. Lower the limitations to become a RFA my suggestion. And skid 3 on 3 OT. And loser points.
