Oilers culture issues

[TS Quint]

McLeod and Foegele were always terrible come playoff time. I guess we will see how Warren does this year in LA. McLeod won't be in them.

Holloway was unproven. I didn't see any of the resident Oilers haters calling him a future 60 point guy while he was still with the Oilers.

You think it's the job of internet posters to evaluate Holloway for the Oilers? Dear lord.......but this would explain a lot.

How do you think Arvidsson, Skinner and Henrique will do in the playoffs? Im not expecting them to rise up from the dead like the Undertaker.

If the Oilers could flip Arvisson, Henrique and Skinner for Holloway, McLeod and Foggle they would take it and run.

 

[Bank Shot]

How do you think Arvidsson, Skinner and Henrique will do in the playoffs? Im not expecting them to rise up from the dead like the Undertaker.

Guess we will have to see. You just admitted as a fan you don't know anything about evaluating, so we will have to wait.

 

[TS Quint]

Since the offer sheet has been made I wanted to keep Holloway, and it is clear that letting him go was a mistake.

McLeod and Foggle vs Henrique and one or Ardvisson/Skinner is a washup in my oppinion, nothing to whine about.

McLeod and Foggle have more points than those 3 combined and make $4.4m less. Seems fairly significant.

 

[TS Quint]

Guess we will have to see. You just admitted as a fan you don't know anything about evaluating, so we will have to wait.

What are you talking about? Where did I say that? You're really trying to shoehorn something in here but I have no idea what you are talking about. You said they shouldn't know any more than the random fans on HF. All I said was the Oilers do an awful job evaluating their own players. It's a pretty low bar you have set when your expectation for the professional evaluators on the Oilers just need to be as good at their job as the average HF fan.

You are turning yourself into a pretzel trying to defend the indefenseable.

 

[Bank Shot]

What are you talking about? Where did I say that? You're really trying to shoehorn something in here but I have no idea what you are talking about. You said they shouldn't know any more than the random fans on HF. All I said was the Oilers do an awful job evaluating their own players. It's a pretty low bar you have set when your expectation for the professional evaluators on the Oilers just need to be as good at their job as the average HF fan.

You are turning yourself into a pretzel trying to defend the indefenseable.

You really like to attack the poster a lot. Pretty typical of someone with nothing to say.

We will find out shortly who Foegele outperforms. I'm guessing his performance will be about the same as years previous.

 

[TS Quint]

You really like to attack the poster a lot. Pretty typical of someone with nothing to say.

We will find out shortly who Foegele outperforms. I'm guessing his performance will be about the same as years previous.

What is this post about?

I spoke directly to the content of your posts. You just don't like it because it's not a blind defense to Oilers mismanagement. So now you want to change the subject again and try to make it about me rather than my message. First you tried to shoehorn something about how well I evaluate oiler players now you want to play victim. I guess that's better than trying to stay on topic.

 

[Czechboy]

I get it is a shit on Edmonton thread but anyone notice we won without both our stars last night? Or that RNH has 9 points in his last 4 games?

I've always read we are echl level without McDrai. Well we are at least as good as non playoff NHL teams.lol

I think the rnh points is a good example of if you give a good player more looks they will score more. It is an awfully hard club to get.top 6 primo opportunity on. So yes guys leave, get more looks and ice time and look better on other teams. That's because we have elite talent up front. They will get the minutes all day and everyday. But yes, we should have matched hollo.

 

[McShogun99]

I get it is a shit on Edmonton thread but anyone notice we won without both our stars last night? Or that RNH has 9 points in his last 4 games?

I've always read we are echl level without McDrai. Well we are at least as good as non playoff NHL teams.lol

I think the rnh points is a good example of if you give a good player more looks they will score more. It is an awfully hard club to get.top 6 primo opportunity on. So yes guys leave, get more looks and ice time and look better on other teams. That's because we have elite talent up front. They will get the minutes all day and everyday. But yes, we should have matched hollo.

Without McDrai for the full season they're still a borderline playoff team if they play the right system. The defensive core is actually very good and there's a lot of depth in the lineup. They would also have 21 million in cap space to add more depth. I just think the team depends on McDrai to much when they're in the lineup and let them do most of the heavy lifting.

 

[Czechboy]

Without McDrai for the full season they're still a borderline playoff team if they play the right system. The defensive core is actually very good and there's a lot of depth in the lineup. They would also have 21 million in cap space to add more depth. I just think the team depends on McDrai to much when they're in the lineup and let them do most of the heavy lifting.

Funny because every time someone posts we'd be an echl team without them
. My first reply is always 'what are we doing with the 21 mill? I love those arguments.. your 60 mill team would be worse than my 82 mill team. I'd hope so.lol

 

[zar]

Without McDrai for the full season they're still a borderline playoff team if they play the right system. The defensive core is actually very good and there's a lot of depth in the lineup. They would also have 21 million in cap space to add more depth. I just think the team depends on McDrai to much when they're in the lineup and let them do most of the heavy lifting.

There is no other team in the NHL that would be more crippled losing their top 2 players than the Oilers. Other than the Avs, the Oilers losing their top 2 players is like most teams losing their top 4 players.

I am somewhat glad that this happened, as I am very interested to see how the Oilers will handle this particular adversity. That being said, I am also very happy that the injuries do not appear to be serious and the timing was perfect as it allows them both to rest a bit and to come back with enough time to be game ready for the playoffs. This might give the entire team the confidence boost they need. Even, if they do poorly they know they have 2 of the best players in the world coming back before the playoffs along with some fresh physical players in Kane and Fredric when the playoffs start.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Funny how every team that Crosby has played for has had good management/good coaching. Of course there is zero connection between the vibe a generational player sets for his franchise and its success.

Since 17/18, it's been bad management/AHL-level linemates/bad goaltending to explain away a lack of relative team success.

McDavid, IMO, is like Ovechkin and Jagr, GOAT offensive talents who left you wanting for more championships. That is a common theme in NHL history. Crosby has the "it" factor that bleeds into the team and has the tools to do many things to contribute to winning; not just generational offensive talents.

Because the Oilers are run by bozos. The Penguins drafted some nice players to surround Sid with, while the Oilers have some of the worst scouting in the league.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Without McDrai for the full season they're still a borderline playoff team if they play the right system. The defensive core is actually very good and there's a lot of depth in the lineup. They would also have 21 million in cap space to add more depth. I just think the team depends on McDrai to much when they're in the lineup and let them do most of the heavy lifting.

They would be where the Sabres are without those two. They have next to nothing behind them.

 

[Andrei79]

Funny how every team that Crosby has played for has had good management/good coaching. Of course there is zero connection between the vibe a generational player sets for his franchise and its success.

Since 17/18, it's been bad management/AHL-level linemates/bad goaltending to explain away a lack of relative team success.

McDavid, IMO, is like Ovechkin and Jagr, GOAT offensive talents who left you wanting for more championships. That is a common theme in NHL history. Crosby has the "it" factor that bleeds into the team and has the tools to do many things to contribute to winning; not just generational offensive talents.

These kinds of posts are so idiotic. I've watched McDavid for years in the playoffs and there is no f***ing doubt in my mind he would have multiple cups if management wasn't among the worst in the league. He is an absolute monster when it counts. There is no it factor, the it factor is getting guys like Kunitz rather than being so dumb you lose Holloway and Broberg for nothing. Jagr and Ovechkin weren't half the playoff players McDavid is.

 

[OilWagon]

These kinds of posts are so idiotic. I've watched McDavid for years in the playoffs and there is no f***ing doubt in my mind he would have multiple cups if management wasn't among the worst in the league. He is an absolute monster when it counts. There is no it factor, the it factor is getting guys like Kunitz rather than being so dumb you lose Holloway and Broberg for nothing. Jagr and Ovechkin weren't half the playoff players McDavid is.

If Mcdavid had the it factor, he would have willed someone into scoring two goals in game 7, much like Crosby did to Talbot in '09.

 

[TheLegend27]

Funny how every team that Crosby has played for has had good management/good coaching. Of course there is zero connection between the vibe a generational player sets for his franchise and its success.

Since 17/18, it's been bad management/AHL-level linemates/bad goaltending to explain away a lack of relative team success.

McDavid, IMO, is like Ovechkin and Jagr, GOAT offensive talents who left you wanting for more championships. That is a common theme in NHL history. Crosby has the "it" factor that bleeds into the team and has the tools to do many things to contribute to winning; not just generational offensive talents.

Come on Daver, when it comes to sports, hockey is prone to a high degree of “randomness”. AKA luck. Assigning that reality as the “it” factor to certain players is a bit disingenuous because that can’t be quantified or proven. Does Crosby’s it factor disappear if MAF doesn’t get a shutout in 2017 game 7 vs the caps?. What about the last second save in game 7 of 2009?. If Crosby(or anyone) truly had the IT factor that bleeds into the team, the franchise would win cups ever year. Where was the IT factor in 2014, 2015, 2013, 2012 etc. Crosby’s vibe didn’t cause MAF or his teammates to preform their absolute best during those years, so why does he get credit for doing so in the cup winning years?. Great two way play by Crosby, his teammates, and puck luck was the formula.

Yes, McDavid losses every single year, but it’s always for the same reason. The roster deficiencies haven’t been addressed.

 

[TS Quint]

Funny because every time someone posts we'd be an echl team without them
. My first reply is always 'what are we doing with the 21 mill? I love those arguments.. your 60 mill team would be worse than my 82 mill team. I'd hope so.lol

Who is going to Edmonton without McDrai there? It's hard enough getting players to go there with them. Without McDrai it's a rebuild from the ground up.

 

[daver]

Come on Daver, when it comes to sports, hockey is prone to a high degree of “randomness”. AKA luck. Assigning that reality as the “it” factor to certain players is a bit disingenuous because that can’t be quantified or proven. Does Crosby’s it factor disappear if MAF doesn’t get a shutout in 2017 game 7 vs the caps?. What about the last second save in game 7 of 2009?. If Crosby(or anyone) truly had the IT factor that bleeds into the team, the franchise would win cups ever year. Where was the IT factor in 2014, 2015, 2013, 2012 etc. Crosby’s vibe didn’t cause MAF or his teammates to preform their absolute best during those years, so why does he get credit for doing so in the cup winning years?. Great two way play by Crosby, his teammates, and puck luck was the formula.

Yes, McDavid losses every single year, but it’s always for the same reason. The roster deficiencies haven’t been addressed.

The clear correlation between the best players in NHL history and multiple championships is a high degree of "unrandomness".

Crosby absolutely gets extra points for being on championship teams vs others that couldn't win much or at all (Hull, Jagr, Ovechkin, McDavid) despite putting up big numbers.

Crosby is simply the better all around player while being just as productive offensively.

 

[TheLegend27]

The clear correlation between the best players in NHL history and multiple championships is a high degree of "unrandomness".

Crosby absolutely gets extra points for being on championship teams vs others that couldn't win much or at all (Hull, Jagr, Ovechkin, McDavid) despite putting up big numbers.

Crosby is simply the better all around player while being just as productive offensively.

Crosby, unlike McDavid, was actually surrounded(elite goaltending + defensive depth) by a proven winning formula during his prime. In 2016, the penguins were the sixth best defense and were even better in the playoffs with elite goaltending. I’m not denying Crosby’s defensive play and leadership had an impact, it’s just hard for me to understand how Crosby can simultaneously get credit for his defensive play when he's matched up against primarily defensive players.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Who is going to Edmonton without McDrai there? It's hard enough getting players to go there with them. Without McDrai it's a rebuild from the ground up.

lol, which team don't re-build from the ground up when they lose elite talent?

 

[daver]

Crosby, unlike McDavid, was actually surrounded(elite goaltending + defensive depth) by a proven winning formula during his prime. In 2016, the penguins were the sixth best defense and were even better in the playoffs with elite goaltending. I’m not denying Crosby’s defensive play and leadership had an impact, it’s just hard for me to understand how Crosby can simultaneously get credit for his defensive play when he's matched up against primarily defensive players.

There was no formula for their team success.

The 2008 Pens were 10th best in GA.

The 2009 Pens were 17th best in GA.

The 2017 Pens were 17th in GA then lost Letang for the whole playoffs.

In 2009, MAF was statistically as good as the Oilers goalies in 2024 and then was really bad for a quite a few years. The 2009 Pens supporting roster outside of Crosby/Malkin was worse than the Oilers supporting roster in 2022, 2023 and 2024.

The 2016, the Pens rolled three scoring lines and were dominating in shots almost every game which made Matt Murray's job a lot easier. Crosby was matched up against the other team's #1 loaded lines and the other team's #1 d-pairings with a career 3rd liner and an AHL callup, who was terrible defensively, on his wings.

Crosby's teams simply have been able to win in different ways with either mediorce (at best) supporting forwards, or decent goaltending, or with a mediorce defensive corps.

 

[TS Quint]

lol, which team don't re-build from the ground up when they lose elite talent?

“lol”…..Read the conversation, don’t interrupt it. You responded to the wrong person.

 

[landy]

Without McDrai for the full season they're still a borderline playoff team if they play the right system. The defensive core is actually very good and there's a lot of depth in the lineup. They would also have 21 million in cap space to add more depth. I just think the team depends on McDrai to much when they're in the lineup and let them do most of the heavy lifting.

This is the biggest compliment this franchise has ever received.

Without McDrais, this is an AHL level team.
Without McDrais, no UFA's voluntarily go there without massive overpayment.

This is a baaaaaaad team well see for a few games.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

The clear correlation between the best players in NHL history and multiple championships is a high degree of "unrandomness".

Crosby absolutely gets extra points for being on championship teams vs others that couldn't win much or at all (Hull, Jagr, Ovechkin, McDavid) despite putting up big numbers.

Crosby is simply the better all around player while being just as productive offensively.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

“lol”…..Read the conversation, don’t interrupt it. You responded to the wrong person.

respond to the question, don't avoid it

your initial response had nothing to do with czechboy's take, other than a veiled shit on Edmonton response

 

[bucks_oil]

Who is going to Edmonton without McDrai there? It's hard enough getting players to go there with them. Without McDrai it's a rebuild from the ground up.

1) Edmonton has actually had decent success in UFA, even prior to McD - we simply have to pay more, not a great model obviously, but to suggest the cap would remain unspent is a VERY weak argument.

2) In this hypothetical... where is the part where McD and Drai leave with zero assets coming back? Drai is signed for 8 years beginning next year, is he retiring young or something? McDavid is not up for contract until 2026. I know the argument is "bad management hur dur", but are Jackson and Bowman just going to forget to sign him? You think billionaire Katz will just fail to follow up on the #1 investment driving attendance to his ice district?

I've seen a lot of Oiler bashing threads on the mains over the years... keeping the receipts... but this one is just devoid of any reality, other than the obvious that we've all agreed with: they shoulda signed Holloway before Skinner, or passed on Skinner.