Confirmed with Link: Oilers acquire Roby Jarventie and 4th round pick for Xavier Bourgualt and Jake Chiasson

[tiger_80]

Never should've traded down to begin with and to get a underwhelming prospect in Bourgault when the likes of Wallstedt and Johnston were right there for the picking was and remains the definition of stupidity.

Good job, JJ. Slowly dismantling the reeks of the Holland/Wright regime's terrible moves.
GL to Bourgault, but he's a prospect I won't miss.

McDonald's Chicken Burgaults are the best!

 

[BarDownBobo]

He’s 21, turns 22 in August. His ELC started when he was 19 though so he has 4 years of waiver eligibility rather than the typical 3 you’d see from a 20 year old player coming out of junior. Last season was his 3rd year of AHL hockey so this year will be year 4?

I think at least.

Euro players who are 19 playing in the AHL have their contracts slide as if they’re playing in the CHL. It’s a bit of an oddity with the contracts. So he still has one year left on his ELC and is also waiver exempt. At least as far as I remember.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

If you pluck a guy off waivers does he not need to stay in the NHL for the whole season?

I think you can send him down but he still has to clear waivers. I was going to ask if a team claims Lavoie off waivers but then waives him again. Does Edmonton get first dibs?

 

[Yuke]

I think you can send him down but he still has to clear waivers. I was going to ask if a team claims Lavoie off waivers but then waives him again. Does Edmonton get first dibs?

They do

 

[Canovin]

More like Roby Hintz.

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Just let me dream.

That will be O’Reilly

 

[McShogun99]

I wouldnt doubt if XB was being offered at the trade deadline but didn’t have much value from the other GM’s.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Unlikely Jarventie ends up in a big role for us, but I feel like if nothing else we win simply b/c Jarventie is probably more attractive to a rebuilding team than Bourgault at the deadline with his better AHL production. More teams would probably want a 4th over Chiasson too.

 

[Louis Cypher]

What the prognosis on the other part of the draft that year?

Luca Munzenberger

 

[Spawn]

What the prognosis on the other part of the draft that year?

Luca Munzenberger

I’m far from a prospect expert but I doubt he’s even signed to a deal once he’s done college.

 

[Uppercorner]

More like Roby Hintz.

Only physically and skill-wise. The troubles are on the mental side: lazy, impatient, stubborn, selfish. But on the other hand some say he has manned up recently so maybe you have a solid winger instead of another Jesse Niinimäki (remember? Comes from the same Finnish team). He comes from an influential hockey family (father Martti played one game in Canadiens) so he was grown up with "a silver spoon". He's the oldest of three brothers; they say the younger brother Emil is more skilled but loaded with the same risks.

 

[Morpheus]

 

[Fourier]

He’s 21, turns 22 in August. His ELC started when he was 19 though so he has 4 years of waiver eligibility rather than the typical 3 you’d see from a 20 year old player coming out of junior. Last season was his 3rd year of AHL hockey so this year will be year 4?

I think at least.

Sorry, you're right. I will correct that. But yes he should still have one more.

 

[Fourier]

I think you can send him down but he still has to clear waivers. I was going to ask if a team claims Lavoie off waivers but then waives him again. Does Edmonton get first dibs?

Edmonton does not automatically get first dib if Lavoie was claimed. If another team put in a claim on the original waivers they would have first dibs but would have to put him on their NHL roster. If no other team had put in a claim then Edmonton could take him back and send him to the AHL.

 

[McSuper]

I am not sure why some see this trade as a nothing trade. The Sens had Rody as an untouchable in the Chychrun trade.

 

[joestevens29]

I am not sure why some see this trade as a nothing trade. The Sens had Rody as an untouchable in the Chychrun trade.

I don't even know what this really means


As for Roby himself the scout gregor talked to said he has a better chance making the Oilers than Bourgault simply because of the style of game they play. Bourgault is gonna need sheltered offensive minutes once he gets to the NHL IMO. Sounds like Roby has a few more tools in his toolbox to start lower down in the lineup.

 

[FlameChampion]

I am not sure why some see this trade as a nothing trade. The Sens had Rody as an untouchable in the Chychrun trade.

Which Chychrun trade? The coyotes one? It’s interesting but maybe hes just fallen out of the grace. Its been like a year and a half and he has injury problems.

But I trust JJ on this one. For whatever reason, XB had stagnated here.

 

[Canovin]

I am not sure why some see this trade as a nothing trade. The Sens had Rody as an untouchable in the Chychrun trade.

Chychrun for Jensen is already overkill. Ottawa would be silly to add Jarventie

 

[Mr Sakich]

something I have always wondered about - is it drafting or development? I had high hopes for Xavier

I wonder if we do enough skills development in the minors? Does our AHL team have nutritionists , prychologists, and specific skills coaches? What is the priority for that team - to develop guys with the technical knowledge to play the oilers systems or to create the best examples of what their skill set can be?

 

[Canovin]

something I have always wondered about - is it drafting or development? I had high hopes for Xavier

I wonder if we do enough skills development in the minors? Does our AHL team have nutritionists , prychologists, and specific skills coaches? What is the priority for that team - to develop guys with the technical knowledge to play the oilers systems or to create the best examples of what their skill set can be?

Developing for sure. It's a much weaker spot in our system than anything else.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Which Chychrun trade? The coyotes one? It’s interesting but maybe hes just fallen out of the grace. Its been like a year and a half and he has injury problems.

But I trust JJ on this one. For whatever reason, XB had stagnated here.

He was talking about the Coyotes trade made by Dorian. One major knee injury later Ottawa's new regime moved off the player.

 

[Mr Positive]

It seems like an even trade to balance both prospect pools better, but with a 4th tossed in so Ottawa can add a French Canadian. People point to the Habs doing that but Ottawa has done it too.

 

[Mr Positive]

something I have always wondered about - is it drafting or development? I had high hopes for Xavier

I wonder if we do enough skills development in the minors? Does our AHL team have nutritionists , prychologists, and specific skills coaches? What is the priority for that team - to develop guys with the technical knowledge to play the oilers systems or to create the best examples of what their skill set can be?

There's also a third element, the player. That can seem like a drafting issue but a lot of the time it isn't. There's a limit to your info. It is impossible to know just how hard a player will work to achieve their goals and also how well their game translates to the higher levels. Even with Bourgault, maybe he will do better at the NHL level than the AHL level. Maybe he doesn't put the work in

I'm reminded of Puljujarvi and Yakupov. Our team bent over backwards to put them positions to succeed, at harming our team results even, like an investment in the future. These were McDavid years even, so there was a big sacrifice we made to develop these guys. Everyone had them near the top of their draft lists. At some point the blame goes on the player

 

[McSuper]

Which Chychrun trade? The coyotes one? It’s interesting but maybe hes just fallen out of the grace. Its been like a year and a half and he has injury problems.

But I trust JJ on this one. For whatever reason, XB had stagnated here.

The one with Arizona

Chychrun for Jensen is already overkill. Ottawa would be silly to add Jarventie

Wrong trade. This was what Ross Levitan said and apparently is is plugged in to the Sens

 

[Canovin]

The one with Arizona


Wrong trade. This was what Ross Levitan said and apparently is is plugged in to the Sens

If it was the first Chychrun trade, then Jarventie certainly had more value then. His value dropped substantially. If we traded Bourgault 2 years ago right after his D+1 season, we would have gotten more in return as well.

 

[K1984]

something I have always wondered about - is it drafting or development? I had high hopes for Xavier

I wonder if we do enough skills development in the minors? Does our AHL team have nutritionists , prychologists, and specific skills coaches? What is the priority for that team - to develop guys with the technical knowledge to play the oilers systems or to create the best examples of what their skill set can be?

Borgault just was never that good IMO.

An undersized player needs to have at least one elite strength and probably at least one more better than average strength to make it. Borgault was "pretty good" at best in a bunch of areas. Decent, but not elite shot. Decent, but not elite skater. Undersized. Mixed opinion on his hockey sense/defensive acumen. I'm not sure exactly what there was to lean on with this player. Is he supposed to rack up points due to skill? Is he supposed to play a gritty two way game? He's just kind of "there."

I hate when players are drafted in any round that don't provide something to hang their hat on. Great skater, size, shot, defensive awareness, physicality, etc. The vanilla "jack of all trades, but master of none" players usually don't accomplish anything at the pro level. I could see this result coming from a mile away the moment he was drafted. Extremely frustrating.