Proposal: Oiler Trades
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Boondock
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I could see the first deal being of interest to both sides. I'll call that one a good deal.Just a few tweaks to the roster:
Kailer Yamamoto
Erik Brannstrom
Tyson Barrie
Jordan Greenway
Oilers 1st 2022, Oilers 1st 2023, Dylan Holloway, Koskinen
John Gibson 50% retained
I don't see the Wild having any interest what so ever in Barrie. They already have Spurgeon and Dumba signed for their right side, along with Goligoski that shoots L but plays right side. Minny doesn't want the additional cap after this season either I don't imagine and Barrie is signed for 2 more seasons after this.
That is a very good offer for Gibson. Given his recent performance and the value of a prospect like Holloway, I would say this deal favors the Ducks and I wouldn't love it from an Oilers perspective.
So a goldylocks of proposals - this ones too low, this ones too high and this one is just right...
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1st trade, seems like it would make sense value wise but I think Ottawa is pretty deep at wing
2nd trade, doubt Minnesota has much if any interest in Barrie especially with his contract and I think they'd do a lot better elsewhere if they moved Greenway
3rd trade, this one could have some legs, that's a massive price to pay for a goalie, but Gibson is the kind of player you'd pay for
2nd trade, doubt Minnesota has much if any interest in Barrie especially with his contract and I think they'd do a lot better elsewhere if they moved Greenway
3rd trade, this one could have some legs, that's a massive price to pay for a goalie, but Gibson is the kind of player you'd pay for
Has any team ever retained 50% for 6 years? Yet you think a budget conscious team like Anaheim will? I'm not sure there's a package the Oilers could offer that would make the Ducks do that.
Gibson no retention for Holloway, unprotected 2023 1st, and Koskinen.
Gibson no retention for Holloway, unprotected 2023 1st, and Koskinen.
I figured Goligoski is done after this year. he is 36 years old and at the end of his $5 Million dollar contract. Barrie is a pretty decent replacement. Maybe Wild fans feel differently. Barrie did lead all defensemen in points last year.
Greenway is also in need of a contract at the end of the year. He is a big guy and a solid middle six winger.
That is a lot to give up but I did ask the Ducks to retain 50% on a long term contract. Gibson to me is a legit 1A starter.
If the Oilers are going to challenge for a cup, these moves might do it for them.
Koskinen's contract is done at the end of this year. Not a huge ask to take him on. Shouldn't require a 1st to do that.
I think my offer is fair. Don't get greedy.
The Moose is Loose
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That Gibson trade is a massive massive overpay. Try looking at his numbers the past 3 years- hint they're not good.
Ducks fans have said their dcore is better than the Oilers', so why would Gibson's numbers improve at all in this swap?
Holloway's stock has risen significantly since his draft as a recent mid 1st rounder, adding on 2 1st round picks is absurd. I don't even think Koskinen is much of a negative asset, he is a UFA at the end of the year and his numbers aren't even that bad, hell they're better than Gibson's over the past 3 years and thats behind the "terrible" Oilers defense.
Plus the Ducks would need a stopgap goalie if they moved Gibson anyways.
Edit: I didn't see Gibson was retained. That makes the trade a little better, but seriously when has a goalie ever returned 3 first round picks? They just don't carry that much value, especially when they haven't been elite since 2018
Ducks fans have said their dcore is better than the Oilers', so why would Gibson's numbers improve at all in this swap?
Holloway's stock has risen significantly since his draft as a recent mid 1st rounder, adding on 2 1st round picks is absurd. I don't even think Koskinen is much of a negative asset, he is a UFA at the end of the year and his numbers aren't even that bad, hell they're better than Gibson's over the past 3 years and thats behind the "terrible" Oilers defense.
Plus the Ducks would need a stopgap goalie if they moved Gibson anyways.
Edit: I didn't see Gibson was retained. That makes the trade a little better, but seriously when has a goalie ever returned 3 first round picks? They just don't carry that much value, especially when they haven't been elite since 2018
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There is nothing fair about that. Teams have had to pay a 1st to have other teams eat 6m in salary. You're asking a budget team to eat 19 million on a player that's already on a great contract, that they don't want to move.
I'm not thrilled with Goligoski but it sounds likely that he'll sign another 1 year extension. Either way I don't see a need for Barrie.
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So the Wild trade away an asset in Greenway to land a redundant 3rd pairing defender. The entire point of moving Greenway would be to create cap space and improve the team in an area of need. With Spurgeon and Dumba and offensive RHD is definitely not a need. Wild need C more than anything and no Turris for Greenway is not the solution.
The Moose is Loose
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Firstly, 1 bad trade by Dubas is not the standard for any cap dump trade. Plus Marleau was useless whereas Koskinen would be the Ducks' starter in this scenario
Also calling Gibson's deal "a Great contract" is highly debatable. 6 more years at 6.4 million for a goalie who's been averaging a .905 save percentage for the past 3 years doesn't jump out at me as good. Especially considering this is prime Gibson preforming right now and this deal will take him into his mid thirties.
If you think there is a better offer out there for Gibson, name it. I think That is a massive offer even with retention.
However, we can agree to disagree.
Interesting deals. All pretty realistic and the Oilers would be a way better team. That said, I hope the Oilers fold and leave the NHL.Just a few tweaks to the roster:
Kailer Yamamoto
Erik Brannstrom
Tyson Barrie
Jordan Greenway
Oilers 1st 2022, Oilers 1st 2023, Dylan Holloway, Koskinen
John Gibson 50% retained
Show me the comparables for eating that much salary.
Completely disagree on your evaluation on Gibson, but you're entitled to your opinion on that. Not many goalies are going to look good behind a garbage team and Gibson definitely has an issue with quitting on his team once the season goes in the shitter. 3 years running he's been on fire the first month or so and then essentially just gives up. If people actually think Gibson isn't a great goalie then why do all these Oiler fans want him? Ducks fans are more than happy to keep him. The only way he might get moved is if we continue to stink and he asks for it.
If Gibson is 50% retained, add Broberg andJust a few tweaks to the roster:
Kailer Yamamoto
Erik Brannstrom
Tyson Barrie
Jordan Greenway
Oilers 1st 2022, Oilers 1st 2023, Dylan Holloway, Koskinen
John Gibson 50% retained
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If this is an option I think it might already be done from an Oiler standpoint.
Stauffer has been touting 5 pieces to get it done and that is only 3, so I think it might be light to get Anaheim to agree, especially in division. I also think there was no chance of 50% retention on 6 year contract so the other offer with 2-1st and such is too high. We probably need to add a pick and a prospect. maybe a 2nd that becomes an additional first if we win the cup in year 1.
The extra stuff needs to be conditonal so it allows for the risk that the nay Sayers on Gibson are right.
McNuge
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I absolutely love Gibson and want him on the team but there is no way in hell he's worth that much... 2 firsts and 2 a prospects? I can't think of any player recently getting that type of return. Especially a goalie
OilersCoffeeArtBeer
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Gibson (50 percent) would command samourukov + Holloway + first + koskinen.
Same division tax is included in price.
Same division tax is included in price.
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I mean asking a team to retain 3 mil for 6 years.... is kinda a lot.
If were just talking gibson by himself no retention
1st + holloway + Koskinen
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Gibson
i think is about as low as id go
McNuge
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That's fair. I forgot he was still signed for that long. I'd do your offer straight up for him in a heart beat. Would probably add another young guy as well tbh.
