OHL Scoring and Goaltending

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I've seen it brought up on numerous occasions by posters on the prospect threads that the CHL (and the OHL specifically) is not a league with defense or decent goaltending. That offensive stats taken from this league need to be discounted in a way because of the perceived deficiencies in preventing goals. So I got curious. Went back and looked at the last 40 years of OHL hockey to look for trends and to see if in fact the league has become an offense only, run and gun, glorified pick up league. See attached charts.

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-Chart 1 you can see the average of the leagues top 10 scorers in blue. The orange is a 5 year average which smooths out any super high or low year and more clearly shows the trend of scoring. You can see that the mid 80's into the early 90's was some ridiculous scoring. Video game numbers where the average top ten scorer is averaging almost 120 pts in a season. Also a time period where you would see anywhere between 12-21 guys having 100 point seasons. You can also see exactly where the dead puck era kicks in. Where trap hockey becomes he norm along with clutch and grab defense. You can also see after the lock out in 2005 where the scoring recovers. But for the most part, after the lockout, scoring has been cyclical. Players adjust, different eras have different quality of players, and defenses gets use to new tactics and so on. Overall it seems scoring has leveled out. Might hit a slight high point with this gen of Misa, Martone, etc. Scoring this season is nothing truly outrageous. Nothing even close to the late 80's.

-Chart 2 is the average of the top 10 GAA goalies in the league (minimum 30 games played to weed out low or high GAA's without enough data behind them). Again, really high GAA in the late 80's. Exponential drop in the dead puck era. Leveling off after the lockout. Will say that there is a very gradual rising trend is the GAA over the last decade or so. I will give those harping on the goaltending that. But again, the GAA is nowhere near as bad as the late 80's. There have been several reasons given as to why Canada is having such a hard to developing goalies in the past decade. It's cost, it's investment in goaltending, its the fact the every kid wants to be McDavid or Makar and not Binnington etc etc. Either way, you likely won't see this number rise forever. This, like the scoring, should settle in time.

-Chart 3 essentially is a ratio of charts 1 and 2. It gives an idea of how well the goalies perform relative to the scoring in the league. If the number is higher in a year, then the goalies are performing better. Lower number, the shooters are dominating. Once more, mid 80's is all shooters. Funny enough we don't see the apex of goaltending until a little AFTER the dead puck era ends. But then around 2010 you get you first batch of kids that have played their entire formative years under the new rules. The advantage goes back towards shooters. Again, kind of cyclical since 2010. Things should settle unless some major new renaissance in the game happens. Maybe the new influx of talent to the OHL may make it harder to score with more top talent in place to stop other top talent? Remains to be seen.

-So is the OHL some offense only, pick up league? No. If I went through every development league. I'd hazard to guess we see very similar trends. Wouldn't matter if it was USHL, NCAA, WHL, whatever.
 
I've seen it brought up on numerous occasions by posters on the prospect threads that the CHL (and the OHL specifically) is not a league with defense or decent goaltending. That offensive stats taken from this league need to be discounted in a way because of the perceived deficiencies in preventing goals. So I got curious. Went back and looked at the last 40 years of OHL hockey to look for trends and to see if in fact the league has become an offense only, run and gun, glorified pick up league. See attached charts.

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-Chart 1 you can see the average of the leagues top 10 scorers in blue. The orange is a 5 year average which smooths out any super high or low year and more clearly shows the trend of scoring. You can see that the mid 80's into the early 90's was some ridiculous scoring. Video game numbers where the average top ten scorer is averaging almost 120 pts in a season. Also a time period where you would see anywhere between 12-21 guys having 100 point seasons. You can also see exactly where the dead puck era kicks in. Where trap hockey becomes he norm along with clutch and grab defense. You can also see after the lock out in 2005 where the scoring recovers. But for the most part, after the lockout, scoring has been cyclical. Players adjust, different eras have different quality of players, and defenses gets use to new tactics and so on. Overall it seems scoring has leveled out. Might hit a slight high point with this gen of Misa, Martone, etc. Scoring this season is nothing truly outrageous. Nothing even close to the late 80's.

-Chart 2 is the average of the top 10 GAA goalies in the league (minimum 30 games played to weed out low or high GAA's without enough data behind them). Again, really high GAA in the late 80's. Exponential drop in the dead puck era. Leveling off after the lockout. Will say that there is a very gradual rising trend is the GAA over the last decade or so. I will give those harping on the goaltending that. But again, the GAA is nowhere near as bad as the late 80's. There have been several reasons given as to why Canada is having such a hard to developing goalies in the past decade. It's cost, it's investment in goaltending, its the fact the every kid wants to be McDavid or Makar and not Binnington etc etc. Either way, you likely won't see this number rise forever. This, like the scoring, should settle in time.

-Chart 3 essentially is a ratio of charts 1 and 2. It gives an idea of how well the goalies perform relative to the scoring in the league. If the number is higher in a year, then the goalies are performing better. Lower number, the shooters are dominating. Once more, mid 80's is all shooters. Funny enough we don't see the apex of goaltending until a little AFTER the dead puck era ends. But then around 2010 you get you first batch of kids that have played their entire formative years under the new rules. The advantage goes back towards shooters. Again, kind of cyclical since 2010. Things should settle unless some major new renaissance in the game happens. Maybe the new influx of talent to the OHL may make it harder to score with more top talent in place to stop other top talent? Remains to be seen.

-So is the OHL some offense only, pick up league? No. If I went through every development league. I'd hazard to guess we see very similar trends. Wouldn't matter if it was USHL, NCAA, WHL, whatever.
In many 8ish years of being a diehard hockey fan, I've always perceived the forwards in the O to be far far more highly skilled than the defensemen, which leads to gaudy offensive production for the top end guys. I also think major junior coaches for the most part let their guys play, leading to higher scoring games. The Dub has historically been more defensive & physical but the offense has gone up lately, while the Q has fallen off as a league due to a number of factors.

The USHL doesn't have as many high end offensive producers (imbalance with the majority of "high end" US talent all on the NTDP) and it seems that the coaching staffs have more of an NCAA approach of emphasizing defending. In the NCAA (in any sport really), most coaches are control freaks who tend to want their teams to defend hard & sacrificing offense. Additionally, until recently, the NCAA didn't have too many young high end producers, thus making the league lower scoring.
 
In many 8ish years of being a diehard hockey fan, I've always perceived the forwards in the O to be far far more highly skilled than the defensemen, which leads to gaudy offensive production for the top end guys. I also think major junior coaches for the most part let their guys play, leading to higher scoring games. The Dub has historically been more defensive & physical but the offense has gone up lately, while the Q has fallen off as a league due to a number of factors.

The USHL doesn't have as many high end offensive producers (imbalance with the majority of "high end" US talent all on the NTDP) and it seems that the coaching staffs have more of an NCAA approach of emphasizing defending. In the NCAA (in any sport really), most coaches are control freaks who tend to want their teams to defend hard & sacrificing offense. Additionally, until recently, the NCAA didn't have too many young high end producers, thus making the league lower scoring.
A quick look says that this isn't really the case. Every league was much more high scoring until the dead puck era and then things normalized relative to their leagues. Its just old stereotypes about what league plays in what way.
 
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I've seen it brought up on numerous occasions by posters on the prospect threads that the CHL (and the OHL specifically) is not a league with defense or decent goaltending. That offensive stats taken from this league need to be discounted in a way because of the perceived deficiencies in preventing goals. So I got curious. Went back and looked at the last 40 years of OHL hockey to look for trends and to see if in fact the league has become an offense only, run and gun, glorified pick up league. See attached charts.

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View attachment 986354
View attachment 986355

-Chart 1 you can see the average of the leagues top 10 scorers in blue. The orange is a 5 year average which smooths out any super high or low year and more clearly shows the trend of scoring. You can see that the mid 80's into the early 90's was some ridiculous scoring. Video game numbers where the average top ten scorer is averaging almost 120 pts in a season. Also a time period where you would see anywhere between 12-21 guys having 100 point seasons. You can also see exactly where the dead puck era kicks in. Where trap hockey becomes he norm along with clutch and grab defense. You can also see after the lock out in 2005 where the scoring recovers. But for the most part, after the lockout, scoring has been cyclical. Players adjust, different eras have different quality of players, and defenses gets use to new tactics and so on. Overall it seems scoring has leveled out. Might hit a slight high point with this gen of Misa, Martone, etc. Scoring this season is nothing truly outrageous. Nothing even close to the late 80's.

-Chart 2 is the average of the top 10 GAA goalies in the league (minimum 30 games played to weed out low or high GAA's without enough data behind them). Again, really high GAA in the late 80's. Exponential drop in the dead puck era. Leveling off after the lockout. Will say that there is a very gradual rising trend is the GAA over the last decade or so. I will give those harping on the goaltending that. But again, the GAA is nowhere near as bad as the late 80's. There have been several reasons given as to why Canada is having such a hard to developing goalies in the past decade. It's cost, it's investment in goaltending, its the fact the every kid wants to be McDavid or Makar and not Binnington etc etc. Either way, you likely won't see this number rise forever. This, like the scoring, should settle in time.

-Chart 3 essentially is a ratio of charts 1 and 2. It gives an idea of how well the goalies perform relative to the scoring in the league. If the number is higher in a year, then the goalies are performing better. Lower number, the shooters are dominating. Once more, mid 80's is all shooters. Funny enough we don't see the apex of goaltending until a little AFTER the dead puck era ends. But then around 2010 you get you first batch of kids that have played their entire formative years under the new rules. The advantage goes back towards shooters. Again, kind of cyclical since 2010. Things should settle unless some major new renaissance in the game happens. Maybe the new influx of talent to the OHL may make it harder to score with more top talent in place to stop other top talent? Remains to be seen.

-So is the OHL some offense only, pick up league? No. If I went through every development league. I'd hazard to guess we see very similar trends. Wouldn't matter if it was USHL, NCAA, WHL, whatever.
Any chart for Cooks&CleanersX/60?
 
These charts are irrelevant because you are just comparing the league against itself. I would bet every league has charts that mimic this. The argument isn't that it was harder to score in the OHL in 1985 than it is in 2025.
 
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In many 8ish years of being a diehard hockey fan, I've always perceived the forwards in the O to be far far more highly skilled than the defensemen, which leads to gaudy offensive production for the top end guys. I also think major junior coaches for the most part let their guys play, leading to higher scoring games. The Dub has historically been more defensive & physical but the offense has gone up lately, while the Q has fallen off as a league due to a number of factors.

The USHL doesn't have as many high end offensive producers (imbalance with the majority of "high end" US talent all on the NTDP) and it seems that the coaching staffs have more of an NCAA approach of emphasizing defending. In the NCAA (in any sport really), most coaches are control freaks who tend to want their teams to defend hard & sacrificing offense. Additionally, until recently, the NCAA didn't have too many young high end producers, thus making the league lower scoring.
What are reasons behind Q being lesser league than O and Dub?
 
What are reasons behind Q being lesser league than O and Dub?
Quebec is poorer than Ontario & Western Canada, thus fewer kids being able to afford competitive minor hockey, creating a greater imbalance between the top tier and lower tiers of talent. I've read that interest in hockey is significantly down across Quebec, especially with younger people, so the talent coming out of there is worse. As a result of these things, the Q is a weaker league that doesn't prepare players as well for pro as the O and the Dub do. Could be wrong on much of this, just what I read on here and on Reddit.

I think the NCAA opening up to the whole CHL will help boost the talent coming out of all 3 major junior leagues, allowing them to play age appropriate older competition as opposed to being rushed into pro; most players aren't good enough to jump straight from junior to pro and be super successful.
 

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