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OHL Hands out 15-game Suspension to Jake Marchment for "unacceptable private comments

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The arrogance is amazing, big deal, you play in the OHL and were a 6th round pick, odds are you never sniff the NHL and you'll have a career of traveling by bus making less than most of us here do.
 
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Yeah we've chatted about it a lil in the CHL and Around the League threads. Will just copy-and-paste, brb.
 
My thoughts. Yes, I'm plagiarizing myself.

Brad Doty said:
Awful in general, but he couldn't have picked a worse time in the current sports climate.

Should open some interesting discussions about privacy and the internet in my field, which is always my interest--not that that is any excuse; if it's in digital writing, it's out there--I appreciate that he owned up to it but that's just wrong. Good article linked too, though. BUt ugh. What a situation. Especially with the Kings org going through the Voynov situation I can't imagine they'd sit on this lightly with the emphasis on character and recent statements Lombardi made about educating folks outside the rink.
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Brad Doty said:
Bingo.

I'm with KP in that a large part of the adult population, especially athletes, is probably thinking "thank goodness there wasn't the internet/social media when I was that age." That's precisely why the education is necessary and this precedent helps the 16 year olds doing the same thing realize there are harsh consequences for putting your thoughts into writing in what is a public space (and make no mistake, ANYTHING you write on the internet is public--and maybe even more so with the recent cloud storage fiascos).

Character is who you are when no one is looking. I get that especially Marchment may have been using someone else's account so there's a double-layer of 'privacy' there being violated, and props to him for owning up quickly, but young athletes will need to learn these very harsh lessons about their connected actions while precedents are set. It echoes nearly entirely what DL said recently regarding off-ice education re: the Voynov situation.

I know 'boys will be boys' and that counterargument, but this is the world we live in--if you wouldn't say it to a newspaper, don't say it to anyone else.
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KingCanadain1976 said:
15 games is to much for something like this imo Yes suspend him 5 games is enuff of a statement.
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Part of me agrees and part of me doesn't. I think something should be said for the fact it was a private conversation. This was between two people, not in public. I assume she brought it public. I think some level of privacy is implied when you converse via e-mail/private chat/whatever this was.

That said, he still did speak and act in a very demeaning manner and whether private or public this does deserve some recourse to ensure less chance of a repeat occurrence.

That said, the one thing that bugs me most about this is you can get 15 games for being a jerk and an ******* but you get less for elbowing someone in the head (though I'll admit I think the OHL is one of the toughest leagues in dishing out suspensions, far better than the NHL).

Seems like off-ice conduct is dealt with much more harshly than on ice conduct.
 
Tinder is not and should not be classified as social media in the same way that Facebook or Twitter are. Tinder's sole purpose is for hook-ups. If that's not the propositions you expect to receive, use a different "dating" service.


That said, there was no reason for him to be disrespectful (and dumb).
 
You can't just chalk that up to being a dumb kid. I was a dumb kid and I never spoke that way to a girl. That was really ugly of him. This team doesn't need that type of attitude.
 
Stupid, hopefully he learns from it. I did stupid things as a kid as well.

Learn my young man, learn from it.
 
Part of freedom of speech is being able to speak to whomever, however you want. This is just some more of this over-sensitive PC ********. I am honestly surprised by some of the sexist things I am hearing here. If they had said this to a man, this wouldn't be an issue at all. Embarrassing.
 
Legionnaire said:
Part of freedom of speech is being able to speak to whomever, however you want. This is just some more of this over-sensitive PC ********. I am honestly surprised by some of the sexist things I am hearing here. If they had said this to a man, this wouldn't be an issue at all. Embarrassing.
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Freedom of speech doesn't cover private organizations/businesses who can take care of you if you're making them look bad, though. This makes them look bad especially given the current climate of public misogyny in sports. That's hard to argue. You can maybe make an argument about how this is supposed to be private, but in the age of the internet, nothing is.

The hypothetical 'what if the tables' were turned assumes a lot--that there's a women's juniors league and men can't play, that these women are revered as texas high school football players, that Ray Rice situation didn't happen, etc. aka it's a leap that I don't think is fair to make because it implies an entirely different social climate.

This isn't a PC/not PC issue so let's please not go down that road.
 
kingsfan said:
That said, the one thing that bugs me most about this is you can get 15 games for being a jerk and an ******* but you get less for elbowing someone in the head

Seems like off-ice conduct is dealt with much more harshly than on ice conduct.
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I feel the same way.

Bertuzzi and Cooke are allowed to play in the NHL, but if a player got convicted of DV for inflicting non-serious injuries, he would never be allowed in the league again.
 
DocWest said:
You can't just chalk that up to being a dumb kid. I was a dumb kid and I never spoke that way to a girl. That was really ugly of him. This team doesn't need that type of attitude.
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There's a distinction between messaging someone, and speaking to them. I doubt Marchment has ever spoken that way to a girl either.

There's something about the perceived anonymity that people feel on the internet. It can lead them to be callous, strident, and write things they'd never say in real life.

I remember discovering chat rooms on the internet for the first time as a little kid circa 1995. I recall me and my friends fooling around messaging terrible things to people for fun. It was like the internet equivalent of prank calling. Was it right? No. Did we mean anything we said? No.
 
Brad Doty said:
Freedom of speech doesn't cover private organizations/businesses who can take care of you if you're making them look bad, though. This makes them look bad especially given the current climate of public misogyny in sports. That's hard to argue. You can maybe make an argument about how this is supposed to be private, but in the age of the internet, nothing is.



This isn't a PC/not PC issue so let's please not go down that road.
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Of course it is.

and how about that mixed message for the hot workout clothes ad with Kate Hudson at the bottom of the page...? :laugh:
 
Brad Doty said:
Freedom of speech doesn't cover private organizations/businesses who can take care of you if you're making them look bad, though. This makes them look bad especially given the current climate of public misogyny in sports. That's hard to argue. You can maybe make an argument about how this is supposed to be private, but in the age of the internet, nothing is.

The hypothetical 'what if the tables' were turned assumes a lot--that there's a women's juniors league and men can't play, that these women are revered as texas high school football players, that Ray Rice situation didn't happen, etc. aka it's a leap that I don't think is fair to make because it implies an entirely different social climate.

This isn't a PC/not PC issue so let's please not go down that road.
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Sure that's great. A total end around. Doesn't mean that it is not that it does not violate the tenants of free speech. Where does it end? It doesn't.

You point all of this BS and then say it is not a PC issue? What is it then? Misogyny in sports? :facepalm:
 
Legionnaire said:
Doesn't mean that it is not that it does not violate the tenants of free speech.
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It has nothing to do with free speech. It was legal to do what he did, and no one is saying otherwise.

If I go to a private business, some sort of store for example, and I call someone inside a "stupid c***," I'm probably going to get kicked out. That doesn't mean my free speech rights were violated.
 
Legionnaire said:
Sure that's great. A total end around. Doesn't mean that it is not that it does not violate the tenants of free speech. Where does it end? It doesn't.

You point all of this BS and then say it is not a PC issue? What is it then? Misogyny in sports? :facepalm:
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Er, yes, that's exactly what it is actually.

In the current climate, leagues will take heat for not cracking down on something like that. You can disagree if you want, call it BS till you're blue in the face, but it's just ignorant of facts. Nothing to do with free speech because it's not ILLEGAL to say that, just stupid when you're representing an organization that controls your work rights. I don't care how anyone on this board feels about the comments, because we'll have as many opinions as people and I'm not going to say your opinion is wrong, but by the book, business organizations have a commitment to protect their image by making sure their employees aren't alienating groups of people by acting like *******s.

Like I said, you'd have a better case arguing those comments should be delineated as private as it's not 'social media' in the traditional sense, but you'll have a hard time convincing anyone, regardless of your personal views on right or wrong or PC, that this business didn't act in accordance with the current climate. The length of the suspension is debatable, to be sure, but it should hardly come as a shock to anyone that the league took action.
 
Complete joke. You are on effing Tinder. Enough said.

As I said in the other thread, these girls they messaged made them look like idiots. They were not scarred or damaged by these comments as it was just BS on Tinder.

This is a PC issue. I just heard myself railing on Taylor Swift from a video taken after I was hammered post Buffalo game. I learned that apparently, I hate her and I sounded like an idiot. At the same time, I can say whatever I want but, apparently, if I was just an OHL player, someone would hunt down that video and get me suspended for 1/6th of the season because I said bad words.

Embarrassing...and I mean for the OHL
 
Legionnaire said:
Part of freedom of speech is being able to speak to whomever, however you want. This is just some more of this over-sensitive PC ********. I am honestly surprised by some of the sexist things I am hearing here. If they had said this to a man, this wouldn't be an issue at all. Embarrassing.
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There's a serious misunderstanding of what freedom of speech really is. Has the government punished or suppressed Marchment's words in any way? Freedom of speech is the citizen's protection against government from its right to speak. He spoke, now he's suffering the consequences of it on a private level. You have every right to express your opinion, just like we have every right to not listen or treat a person like an a-hole when they are one.
 
I'm glad it's being taken seriously. A lot of men are totally disrespect to women and it needs to be dealt with.
 
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