OHL Expansion

[OMG67]

Thats actually a really cool concept.
I had no idea they were this far along when i was going back and forth with OMG telling him it was possible but this is great to see.
I guess this just goes to show that anything is possible with the right Mayor and Council just like i said!
The Article is behind a paywall so i couldn't really read it.

I never said it wasn’t possible. I said it is unlikely unless it is part of a larger development where the arena issue a small component. That is exactly the case here.

The developments are typically spearheaded by private investment. It is REALLY difficult for small communities to pass funding on to local taxpayers. Most budgets are already tight. You need the project to generate the new revenue required to offset the costs. That is tough to do in a stand alone arena not connected to a development.

THAT was my point. This proposed project as well as the Brantford development proves it.

 

[ScoutLife4]

I never said it wasn’t possible. I said it is unlikely unless it is part of a larger development where the arena issue a small component. That is exactly the case here.

The developments are typically spearheaded by private investment. It is REALLY difficult for small communities to pass funding on to local taxpayers. Most budgets are already tight. You need the project to generate the new revenue required to offset the costs. That is tough to do in a stand alone arena not connected to a development.

THAT was my point. This proposed project as well as the Brantford development proves it.

You mentioned Peterborough can't draw for an entertainment district like Brantford because they do not have any business there.
I think the fact that they have spent a bunch of money on drawings and design says otherwise was my point.
a wise man once said "build it and they will come"
This is great news for the team and community that they are exploring this.

 

[OMG67]

You mentioned Peterborough can't draw for an entertainment district like Brantford because they do not have any business there.
I think the fact that they have spent a bunch of money on drawings and design says otherwise was my point.
a wise man once said "build it and they will come"
This is great news for the team and community that they are exploring this.

I said “Event Centre”

The event Centre is like a Conference Centre that attracts transient business activity from outside the region. That is way different than an entertainment district.

 

[ScoutLife4]

I said “Event Centre”

The event Centre is like a Conference Centre that attracts transient business activity from outside the region. That is way different than an entertainment district.

I honestly don't know what you mean the discussion was never about a business conference room it's about an arena. -i could care less about a meeting room.

Another topic....
What is going on with TD Place once the 67s get their new arena? (I'm not familiar with the plan or project)

 

[OMG67]

I honestly don't know what you mean the discussion was never about a business conference room it's about an arena. -i could care less about a meeting room.

Another topic....
What is going on with TD Place once the 67s get their new arena? (I'm not familiar with the plan or project)

I wasn’t thinking in terms of an Entertainment district (although that is another option for sure). I was thinking in terms of a Business development which commonly is some form of Conference Centre. IT is a means of building business and attracting corporate interests into the community. When a Township wants to grow, it tries to add infrastructure that supports businesses relocating into the community (which creates population growth). I was more looking at that angle. When I said businesses wouldn’t go past Oshawa, that was why. Durham Region already has loads of support in that regard. There would be no reason for Peterborough to try to enter that market.

Lansdowne went through a major redevelopment project a decade ago. Of course, you are likley aware of what is there now. That was Phase One. Phase Two is going through acceptance. Phase Two replaces the North Side Stands (which also houses the Civic Centre) with New Stadium seating and a mixed use Ground Level Commercial build with two Residential Towers for Condo sales. That plan eliminates the Civic centre so the approved plan is to build a new 5500 seat arena just behind the East End Zone of the Football Stadium. Phase Two has three separate build components:
1> Build the new rink
2> Once the rink is completed, they will tear down the existing Civic Centre and stadium stands and build the new Stadium stands.
3> The 3rd component is the Mixed Use commercial/residential.

The current project completion dates:
1> Arena Q4 2027
2> North Side Stands Q2 2030
3> Mixed Commercial/Residential Q1 2034

The challenge right now is OSEG has not turned an operations profit in any year. There are questions as to whether they are the right firm to partner with for this latest phase. Personally, I don’t think they have an option. It is them or nothing. I cannot see them partnering with a separate entity. It would be a very muddy relationship.

Lansdowne 2.0

Background Lansdowne is a place of history and civic pride. For over 175 years, it has been a gathering place for neighbours, residents of Eastern Ontario and Western Québec, and for tourists from across Canada and around the world. It is a place of connection and

engage.ottawa.ca

 

[beastintheeast]

I never said it wasn’t possible. I said it is unlikely unless it is part of a larger development where the arena issue a small component. That is exactly the case here.

The developments are typically spearheaded by private investment. It is REALLY difficult for small communities to pass funding on to local taxpayers. Most budgets are already tight. You need the project to generate the new revenue required to offset the costs. That is tough to do in a stand alone arena not connected to a development.

THAT was my point. This proposed project as well as the Brantford development proves it.

Kingston built the new arena without private ownership. The idea was to attract outside interests in holding torunaments concerts and such. OH yeah and Springer filling the joint for Fronts games.

Frankly I miss the older arenas. I think I must be old but I enjoyed the M Center more than the new arena.

the Civic center holds a lot of charm I hope tha they do not totally remove that.

PMC is was great.

The one thing about these arenas and i look at the civic before teh Sens came was and is that it was welcoming and the fans were close enought that they made a difference when they cheered.


These bigger newer arenas just do not have the compfortable homeness that a small arena does.

BACK TO EXPANSION

CORNWALL IN THE EAST SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY CHOICE

wHERE IN THE WEST OF oNTARIO COULD YOU PUT A TEAM

 

[zaluty]

The old MCentre beast had the best fries in the world lol

Frankly I miss the older arenas. I think I must be old but I enjoyed the M Center more than the new arena.

 

[Otto]

Bryan Crawford was on during the first intermission of the Petes game tonight, he was asked about expansion and specifically about Toronto. He distanced himself from expanding into Toronto and said that's more about the GTA and mentioned York & Halton specifically

 

[beastintheeast]

The old MCentre beast had the best fries in the world lol

No argument for me brown's fries were a treat year round.

 

[OMG67]

Bryan Crawford was on during the first intermission of the Petes game tonight, he was asked about expansion and specifically about Toronto. He distanced himself from expanding into Toronto and said that's more about the GTA and mentioned York & Halton specifically

That makes a lot more sense. Halton/Milton would be interesting. Loads of $$$ in that area and pretty good hotbed for quality players that feed the OHL. I’m not sold as much on York Region. I think that’s a stretch.

The only issue with Halton is whether they can have two in the same region. With Burlington rumoured in the mix with a new arena on the way, could they have a Burlington AND Milton team? There is a lot of growth there though. It is really starting to push out from the lake. Seems like it is growing quickly.

Anyone from that area know what the future looks like around there?

 

[MJ5]

Maybe the new commissioner has some big plans for media/advertising rights but to me, expansion doesn't make sense because even with the influx of American players, as you add teams, the product is going to slowly get watered down.

I disagree with this last part big time.

Now that the college bound kids can use the CHL/OHL as a step to that next level, I don't think its going to water it down at all. Quality of the OA's might go down. But some kids also don't care about school.

 

[OMG67]

I disagree with this last part big time.

Now that the college bound kids can use the CHL/OHL as a step to that next level, I don't think its going to water it down at all. Quality of the OA's might go down. But some kids also don't care about school.

It depends on how many players shift to the CHL. Expansion sounds great but how many teams, we really cannot say. It will be interesting to watch the next two seasons to see what the realized impact will be.

Hypothetically speaking, to increase two teams without lowering the quality of the hockey, that requires ~46 players. That equals jsut over two players per team. So, each team is going to have to sign two guys they wouldn’t have otherwise signed. I’m not sure we will get there quick. Organically speaking, I think more of the younger players will but I am not sure we will get an exodus from the US route to equal that many defects into the OHL to support 2 Expansion teams next year (for example). But, I could be wrong! It will be fun to watch though.