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[frontsfan67]

The only reason Peterborough draws more than Brantford is because Brantford's arena is smaller. Last season Brantford was at 104.3% capacity, Peterborough 86.6% . This season Brantford is 103.5% capacity, Peterborough 81%. There's a need for a new arena in Brantford because they are bursting at the seams.

The last place Pete’s are still selling the place out here and there and have very loyal fans to the team. During their championship run didn’t they sell out almost every game in the playoffs or am I dreaming that? Pete’s could use an arena of 4500-4700 and still make it work. Believe capacity is 3700 right now but I could be wrong.

 

[OMG67]

So you knew about the new arena in Branford that’s coming all along?
Peterborough seems to have concerts and shows at that arena every week from what I see and have no issue drawing already.
It will get to the point (probably has already) where the Maintenance cost of operating that building costs more then it’s worth keeping it operational if they do not replace it.
That building is literally falling apart in places right now.
Maybe Peterborough decides next year to build an entertainment district for all we know.
That arena is pasts its life.
They cants really renovate that building there is no real estate to do it where it sits unless they removed all parking.
No one thought Brantford would have a new arena either though I get it.
For having no business in Peterborough awfully strange how the boards and walls are plastered so try sponsorship from local businesses.

No. I didn’t. What I said at the beginning is that for these new arenas, there needs to be a larger development project attached to it. I said that before I even knew about Brantford. I opened the link you sent and saw it was part of a $1.5bil development project. That supports what I said previously about new arenas being a part of a larger development project. It was the same thing in Ottawa with the Lansdowne redevelopment project. They are building a new rink so they can replace the existing one and pop a new mixed commercial/residential development where it currently sits…. Plus new stadium seating replacing the north side stands for the Red Blacks.

That is how most sports complexes of that size are justified. A new arena as a stand alone venue “typically” cannot support itself as a self contained business plan. It is getting really difficult to get those built with significant levels of public funding. As soon as private investment is used, it is almost always part of a redevelopment project where the developer gets the public lands for free with an agreement to build public infrastructure.

 

[ScoutLife4]

The last place Pete’s are still selling the place out here and there and have very loyal fans to the team. During their championship run didn’t they sell out almost every game in the playoffs or am I dreaming that? Pete’s could use an arena of 4500-4700 and still make it work. Believe capacity is 3700 right now but I could be wrong.

Peterborough added seats around the whole rink to add an extra couple hundred and sold them out too it was a pretty great atmosphere.
Peterboroughs draw was limited to the arena size for that playoffs.

 

[Section7fan]

I’ve been to north bay twice and their arena is way better than the PMC.

The PMC smells like a cheap apartment and is crazy outdated- even has box tvs in the concourse. Seats are real small too not a lot of leg room, benches on opposite sides, square corners, old bathrooms etc. HOWEVER there is automatic soap dispensers in the bathrooms.

If they aren’t going to build a new arena at some point they’re definitely due for a big renovation.

Can’t say I’ve ever noticed a smell. The concourse is much better than NB imo. I usually go to watch hockey on the ice, not a tv. The seats are small and the leg room could be better but I find the same issue with the kingston arena but at least there’s usually nobody there so it’s easier to stretch

 

[Petes1987]

There has been rumblings about the City of Peterborough wanting to get out of owning a hockey team and find a private owner.
With that said it was mentioned they have a long list of conditions like building a new arena and keeping the team safe from relocation.
I doubt any owner is going to agree to fund a new arena at a couple hundred million + price tag and spend 15M on a hockey team though.

The City of Peterborough are not the owners of the Peterborough Petes. They are community like the Kitchener Rangers are. The team is run by a board of directors that are the trustees for the team. It is that body which would make the decision to sell the team and I have not heard that they are considering selling unless it is because of problems of getting a new facility built. Any money from the sale of the team would go to minor sports which was the conditions when the Montreal Canadiens gave the community the team.

 

[beastintheeast]

Agree 100% . I have a hard time seeing it work, but if there going to try, I’d say do something abstract or a little less traditional.

It would be a great project for someone who is super rich and wants to own a hockey team, loves junior hockey and like EvenSteven said won’t mind loosing money for multiple years to get it up and ready. I don’t know how many people are out there lol

Toronto will not work and has not worked because
A. it is Junior hockey failed before every time people with money tried to put a team not associated with the leafs.
B. University students can go to Uni games which are cheaper and have their almamater playing.
c. Rent for MLG or varsity would be cost prohibitive and ice time as well as facilities would be an issue.
d. No one lives in Toronto anymore
e. Toronto has too much entertainment and things fighting for the dollars.
Consider billeting and costs to operate.

If the fan base is there and there is an owner interested than Cornwall would be interesting.
Belleville would need the sens to leave and I don't see that happening.

 

[beastintheeast]

I’ve been to north bay twice and their arena is way better than the PMC.

The PMC smells like a cheap apartment and is crazy outdated- even has box tvs in the concourse. Seats are real small too not a lot of leg room, benches on opposite sides, square corners, old bathrooms etc. HOWEVER there is automatic soap dispensers in the bathrooms.

If they aren’t going to build a new arena at some point they’re definitely due for a big renovation.

Consider where it is and the ownership and fan base. They like it the teamhas history and as long as it is functional it is cheaper than building a new arena