This is 3 years in the future working based off what we have currently so maybe its not them on something?
literally what people say Celebrini is. Probably not the lite version though
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koteka
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I'd be interested to see your suggestions or some analysis. Throwing shade at others without putting any new ideas out there seems pointless.
Ah I see now reading that post. Yeah that can be a hard piece to find, NYI had it and didnt know but thats not uncommon. Bit different but what Stralman eventually became would have been cool for us to have had. People always go to the highest of the high end with comparisns so I can see why Toews still gets overlooked as a comparable.
They might for all I know. I don't know any reason to doubt them. But I'm not bumping any of the other forwards out for Dolzhenkov, and on D it is somewhat arbitrary but I had Christiansen and Guillaume Richard being the ones to step up. Having them over Svozil is probably more objectionable, but I find that sort of outcome at least underrated, not probable but underrated.
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It’s not often you’d expect Jack Johnson would be rated the best contract for defensemen. 
I don't... really understand how Tarasov = negative. Like I guess it's data driven and it just is? But that makes me question the entire thing. I'm sure there's plenty of truth in it, but still.
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I don't really take too much from those articles. Bad teams have bad everything. Have a better year with the same contracts and magically they'll look better. Funny how that works. CBJ dealt with injury, poor coaching, poor play, no system and is the youngest team in the league for the last 3-4 years. Shocker, they didn't succeed on the ice.
Now I'm not saying the Severson deal is great. Gaudreau's is spot on, etc. but this tune changes, along with all the others with an improved season. Certainly some unappealing contracts, and not having read it I don't know what criteria was used to calculate the surplus, but I simplify by saying the team sucked and the big contracts look ugly because of it.
Now I'm not saying the Severson deal is great. Gaudreau's is spot on, etc. but this tune changes, along with all the others with an improved season. Certainly some unappealing contracts, and not having read it I don't know what criteria was used to calculate the surplus, but I simplify by saying the team sucked and the big contracts look ugly because of it.
CBJWerenski8
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Nothing burger article imo. Almost everyone listed here has a contract expiring this year or next year. The horror.
(With obvious exceptions being the Elvis and Severson contracts which we already know are issues)
Viqsi
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It's Dom Luszczszyn, aka Mr. Next Generation Plus/Minus Made My Career.
The Athletic needs to do an article on the most inefficient writers
Dumb Dom would win in a landslide
Is Dom the same guy who a year ago had Severson as an $11m player?
I know he can't figure out team effects at all.
Viqsi
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Also using last year as a baseline for contract efficiency...what else would be expected.
For all the people who voted for or wanted to see Boqvist or Peeke as the 1RD alongside Werenski the last couple years, I’m wondering who they see in that position now this year??
Werenski-Jiricek? We’ll see I guess.
Severson or Gudbranson are still our best options, as they have been. And by “best”, I don’t mean “good”.
Werenski-Jiricek? We’ll see I guess.
Severson or Gudbranson are still our best options, as they have been. And by “best”, I don’t mean “good”.
Id probably trade Fantilli, Lindstrom and Jiricek to get Jones back at 1RD
Hilarious.
For real though, we need someone to fill the role. We’re easily at least 1 more full year away from Jiricek being an adequate top pairing player.
I think both Severson and Gudbranson are extremely underrated by most people. The problem is Gudbranson simply isn’t good enough to handle the heavy minutes next to Werenski over an extended period, and IMO I think Werenski/Severson are actually EXTREMELY similar players. TOO similar to be effective DEFENSIVELY while playing together.
I’d easily start at Jiricek-Sillinger as a realistic base for a trade to acquire a WORTHWHILE player on defense along with possibly another “veteran”/“depth” player.
I trade Jiricek before Mateychuk and Sillinger before any of the Russians or Johnson. At the end of the day Jones is missed.
Those guys dont often get traded and when they do the price is usually a very high one. We are also not in compete now, its still building the kids up and instilling some sort of identity. Feels like last year was a lost year but if Jiricek is only seen as a year away from that level we arent really in a bad place.Hilarious.
For real though, we need someone to fill the role. We’re easily at least 1 more full year away from Jiricek being an adequate top pairing player.
I think both Severson and Gudbranson are extremely underrated by most people. The problem is Gudbranson simply isn’t good enough to handle the heavy minutes next to Werenski over an extended period, and IMO I think Werenski/Severson are actually EXTREMELY similar players. TOO similar to be effective DEFENSIVELY while playing together.
I’d easily start at Jiricek-Sillinger as a realistic base for a trade to acquire a WORTHWHILE player on defense along with possibly another “veteran”/“depth” player.
I trade Jiricek before Mateychuk and Sillinger before any of the Russians or Johnson. At the end of the day Jones is missed.
This coming year will really be a see what we have and where the moves need to happen. Evason will make them work and Waddell has no emotional attachment to anyone, big year for the organization
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If Jiricek makes it, yes.
I think there's more to be gained from him getting significant PP time, I don't know if first pairing minutes helps him at all at this point.
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Definitely do not want Jiricek with Werenski on the first pairing. Thats setting him up to fail.
I think we’re across the board getting too obsessed with the labels of “first pairing,” “third pairing,” “first line,” etc. A developing team doesn’t have defined slots.
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