Speculation: Offseason Roster Building Thread - Trades, Signings, Rumors

[Ole Gil]

I don't know if Reinhart is enough. 21yo and 47 points.

That's a big gamble. Compared to Hall and Johannson who had big seasons already in the books.

Although, I'm not really sure how Hanifin is viewed compared to Larssen/Jones at the time they were dealt.

 

[CandyCanes]

I've just got a feeling that we are going to be able to grab a #4 defenseman at an affordable price before the expansion draft. There are a few teams that are going to lose them for nothing if they leave them exposed. So if that does happen that puts us in a reallly comfortable position to move Noah in my opinion.

Now who could be some of our options? Some of these guys are probably not available, but kinda match what we are looking for to get in return for Hanifin if he becomes available.

Duchene
Landeskog
Mackinnon
Reinhart
Drouin
Ehlers
Nylander
Galchenyuk
Pastrnak
Kuznestov

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Pass on Duchene. Landeskog is meh. Reinhart is a legit quality for quality, need for need target. Drouin might be a realistic option, depending how the contract talks with Tampa go. Galchenyuk is an interesting name; he’s going into the postseason on the 4th line! Not sure if trading offense for defense is the right move for Montreal, though. I’d be surprised if the others were in play for Hanifin.

 

[SaskCanesFan]

Trading hanifin right now just seems like it could really be selling low. He's been brought along slowly and hasn't had the chance to really build value. Think about some of the names being offered for Hanifin and if PHI or CLB would consider Provorov or Werenski for them. In most cases I'd say no, those two could command the next tier of player in a trade. There's no reason to think Hanifin shouldn't be able to get to that kind of level either. He was the consensus best D in the draft from scouts and media, and was picked ahead of the other two. He should then have a decent chance of being at least as good as them and commanding that sort of value in a trade.

Sure, the flipside of that is that sometimes scouts are wrong or things don't go to plan. That he could stall, the gap between him and Provorov/Werenski could increase and his value tanks as it becomes obvious he's nothing more than a middle pairing D. But that's a chance I would be willing to take, to bet on him only getting better.

And if he doesn't figure it out and for yet another year the guy we take early in the first round gets outplayed by the guys taken right after him, then we have some other serious issues with drafting and development to address anyways.

 

[Brock Anton]

Reinhart, Drouin or Nylander (unless MacKinnon becomes available) are the only guys from that list I'm trading Hanifin for. Maybe Galchenyuk as well.

I don't see Ehlers, Kuznetsov and Pastrnak as being available, so I'm not including them.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I've just got a feeling that we are going to be able to grab a #4 defenseman at an affordable price before the expansion draft. There are a few teams that are going to lose them for nothing if they leave them exposed. So if that does happen that puts us in a reallly comfortable position to move Noah in my opinion.

Now who could be some of our options? Some of these guys are probably not available, but kinda match what we are looking for to get in return for Hanifin if he becomes available.

Duchene
Landeskog
Mackinnon
Reinhart
Drouin
Ehlers
Nylander
Galchenyuk
Pastrnak
Kuznestov

Probably a pretty complete list. I don't see any way Nylander, Pastrnak, or Kuznetsov (especially with Williams and Oshie being UFAs) are dealt. Regardless of the rumors, I also would be very surprised to see Mackinnon moved as well.

 

[Buenos Necas]

Hanifin always made the most sense if we were to deal any of our top 4, although I'm less keen on doing so than I was in the past. It'd be nice to find a solution with Fleury or Bean as the centerpiece, but if we want to acquire a true impact forward we'll probably have to pony up Noah in the deal.

And those three would be the top of my list too, Brock. Would also throw Ehlers on there, but like you said not sure I see them moving him, or the Leafs with Nylander for that matter. But anyone we acquire should be right in that age range, and all four of them still have a year left on their ELC. Reinhart makes the most sense to me, natural center and Buffalo should also be the most eager to make a move.

And I agree with CC on using the expansion draft to acquire a solid 4/5 defenseman. We should be able to get that done with our extra picks, and gives us time to get Fleury worked into the lineup and hopefully the top 4 at some point.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't know if Reinhart is enough. 21yo and 47 points.

That's a big gamble. Compared to Hall and Johannson who had big seasons already in the books.

Although, I'm not really sure how Hanifin is viewed compared to Larssen/Jones at the time they were dealt.

I think you are right on both fronts.

 

[RodTheBawd]

It's probably Reinhart IMHO. Guy just flat out plays better down the middle and won't really get the chance there with an elite offensive talent in Eichel, and their version of Jordan in O'Reilly in the two top-6 center spots.

I'd probably want a minor add from Buffalo to go with that swap but it's probably the fairest offer we'd get for Hanifin unless MacKinnon is suddenly on the market.



Don't disagree there at all.

IMHO first I'd try again to move Fleury and a 1st for Duchene, if they're still not interested then it's time to consider a trade involving Hanifin.

I don't know if Reinhart is enough. 21yo and 47 points.

That's a big gamble. Compared to Hall and Johannson who had big seasons already in the books.

Although, I'm not really sure how Hanifin is viewed compared to Larssen/Jones at the time they were dealt.

Reinhart has not been put in a good position to succeed. The kid is a stud. Like Dave said, my ask would be to have a 2nd included, would settle for a 3rd

I've been a big Drouin fan since day 1, but Reinhart is a step above, at least in terms of what we need. I'm also not sure why TBL would need Hanifin. Seems like a luxury for them, whereas Drouin should be a longterm core forward.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'm also not sure why TBL would need Hanifin. Seems like a luxury for them, whereas Drouin should be a longterm core forward.

I definitely think it's more than just a luxury for TB. They have Hedman and Stralman for sure, but after that, they are relying on guys like Coburn (32), Garrison (32 and UFA in a year), Sustr (RFA), Koekkoek (who spent most of the year in the AHL), and Dotchin (who I've heard played well, but is pretty unproven). Not saying the need is as big as with Buffalo, but they definitely need to bolster that defensive core going forward. Not sure what prospects they have though.

 

[Buenos Necas]

I'm certainly no expert on Reinhart, but like Rod said it sounds like he's been stuck in Buffalo behind Eichel and ROR at center and been bumped out to the wing instead. If you want to compare his development to another young center, it's very similar to what Scheifele did in his age 20 and 21 seasons.

PPG-wise that's 0.54/0.60 for Scheifele and 0.53/0.59 for Reinhart. Obviously no two players develop perfectly alike, but Reinhart may be able to take another step with top-6 minutes at center.

 

[Stickpucker]

And in both those cases so far it's worked out a fair bit better for the team acquiring a young D man than the one trading him away. I wouldn't be eager to make that kind of trade without really exploring other options.

Agreed.

 

[Stickpucker]

I'd be ecstatic to see a 1a/1b situation with Fleury and Elliot in net. Everyone knows Fleury would come cheap and the JR connection. Elliot has shown to be great for 40 starts but not as a clear number one. He also hasn't commanded a huge salary.

Unlikely but I would love to go after Oshie he's probably good for 45 points on our club and some desperately needed SO magic.

I would do Fleury + for Duchene or Hanifin + for MacK. I don't think either will happen.

I am very interested in Galchenyuk if he's not a fit in Mtl but I don't know their needs.

If we could swing one of those trades, add Oshie, and upgrade to that tandem I like our team a lot.

 

[DaveG]

So sounds like Colorado is protecting Varly instead of Pickard. While I'd actually prefer Varly if we were going to trade with them for a goalie, would anyone else be onboard with the idea of Pickard? He didn't exactly run with the opportunity this year but the team was also a complete dumpster fire in front of him.

 

[Breakdowns]

So sounds like Colorado is protecting Varly instead of Pickard. While I'd actually prefer Varly if we were going to trade with them for a goalie, would anyone else be onboard with the idea of Pickard? He didn't exactly run with the opportunity this year but the team was also a complete dumpster fire in front of him.

I would take Pickard over Varlamov, but I am not sure we need any of them to get much better.

 

[DaveG]

Either is a huge upgrade from Lack. I mean I'd put out feelers to other teams as well, but damn if Pickard wouldn't be right in the wheelhouse age range with this core.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

And in both those cases so far it's worked out a fair bit better for the team acquiring a young D man than the one trading him away. I wouldn't be eager to make that kind of trade without really exploring other options.

So far is right for the Hall/Larsson deal but it's not that clear cut. While Larsson was a good add to the Oilers, it wasn't strictly what turned them into a playoff team. Having McDavid healthy for a full year (he participated in 40.5% of all their goals this year. ) was, by far, the biggest thing. Also, adding Lucic, having a healthy Klefbom, and Draisaitl having a breakout season, were every bit as important as adding Larsson. Hall went to a bad team.

re: Jones/Johansen, I think so far it's worked out well for both teams.
Year 1: Johansen 60 points, Preds make playoffs; Jones 31 points (-13) CLB gets a lottery pick.
Year 2: Johansen 61 points, Preds make playoffs; Jones 42 points (+6) CLB makes playoffs.

Both teams filled a need at the expense of a strength. I agree though, I think RF will look at every other avenue 1st.

 

[GoldiFox]

Either is a huge upgrade from Lack. I mean I'd put out feelers to other teams as well, but damn if Pickard wouldn't be right in the wheelhouse age range with this core.

Would love to trade a pick + Lack for Pickard, then buyout Ward, and then bring in another potential starter (MAF). Goaltending is too important to mess up this offseason. I'd wipe the slate clean.

Reinhart is a Peters' type player to a T. Would be the first high-end, pass-first playmaking C that the Canes have had in a while. Could work wonders with Skinner.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

All right, under the premise that the Canes are moving Hanifin (whcih isn't a given). For ***** and grins.

- Trade Hanifin for Reinhart plus exchanging our 1st round picks (#6ish for #11). If Buffalo wins lottery, then it becomes a 2nd.
- Re-sign Hainsey and Stalberg
- Trade for MAF, but keep Ward. Both are inconsistent so hope that when one is off, the other is on.
- Sign Jagr (I'd prefer Williams or Oshie, but don't think that's realistic)
- Take advantage of the expansion draft and send picks to get someone like Zucker (just an example, could be someone else).
- Sign a veteran RHD like Seidenburg, Streit

Aho-Reinhart-Lindholm: Allow Aho and Lindholm to be in a more offensive role.
Zucker-Staal-Jagr: plays tough minutes but can still chip in goals. Should be a very good possession line.
Skinner-Rask-Teravainen: Feast against weaker competition.
Nordstrom-Wallmark-Stalberg: Solid 4th line

Slavin-Pesce: Shut down line
Hainsey-Faulk: Previous shut down line
Fleury-Seidenburg/Streit: Give Fleury a veteran presence.
McKeown/Carrick

MAF/Ward

 

[RodTheBawd]

All right, under the premise that the Canes are moving Hanifin (whcih isn't a given). For ***** and grins.

- Trade Hanifin for Reinhart plus exchanging our 1st round picks (#6ish for #11). If Buffalo wins lottery, then it becomes a 2nd.
- Re-sign Hainsey and Stalberg
- Trade for MAF, but keep Ward. Both are inconsistent so hope that when one is off, the other is on.
- Sign Jagr (I'd prefer Williams or Oshie, but don't think that's realistic)
- Take advantage of the expansion draft and send picks to get someone like Zucker (just an example, could be someone else).
- Sign a veteran RHD like Seidenburg, Streit

Aho-Reinhart-Lindholm: Allow Aho and Lindholm to be in a more offensive role.
Zucker-Staal-Jagr: plays tough minutes but can still chip in goals. Should be a very good possession line.
Skinner-Rask-Teravainen: Feast against weaker competition.
Nordstrom-Wallmark-Stalberg: Solid 4th line

Slavin-Pesce: Shut down line
Hainsey-Faulk: Previous shut down line
Fleury-Seidenburg/Streit: Give Fleury a veteran presence.
McKeown/Carrick

MAF/Ward

Meh on Jagr and MAF, but conceptually I like where you're at.

 

[DougieSmash]

lol, hanifin for galchenyuk is terrible deal, so is johansen for jones but at least preds have insade d depth that they could look great even without future top 10 d in jones.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

no to jagr. he will fall eventually, and i expect a steep curve.

jones is awesome and johanson meh...i'd love to have a 3 headed monster of slavin, faulk and hanifin.

 

[DougieSmash]

Hanifin value could drastically improve a lot next season. Let's put at first Fleury at the third pairing. If he's that good and make Hanifin expendable, you could trade Hanifin with better value in near future. He's not going to return Mackinnon now. I don't see a point to make Hanifin move now, it could hurt us in long term. He's still has the highest potential of all our dmans.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Meh on Jagr and MAF, but conceptually I like where you're at.

Yeah, I'm luke warm on both of these guys to be honest. Off the top of my head, I just couldn't think of any other UFA right wingers that might be a possibility. I don't think the Canes are going to pay top dollar in UFA for a goalie (Bishop) and after Khudobin and Lack were top back-ups that failed miserably, I don't see them betting the farm on that approach again.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

no to jagr. he will fall eventually, and i expect a steep curve.

I wouldn't do more than a 1 year deal for sure, and even then, I kind of agree with you. At some point, he's going to tail off.

i'd love to have a 3 headed monster of slavin, faulk and hanifin.

Hanifin value could drastically improve a lot next season. Let's put at first Fleury at the third pairing. If he's that good and make Hanifin expendable, you could trade Hanifin with better value in near future. He's not going to return Mackinnon now. I don't see a point to make Hanifin move now, it could hurt us in long term. He's still has the highest potential of all our dmans.

To be clear, I'm not advocating trading Hanifin. If I was RF, I would do everything I could to hold on to him unless it's a deal that knocks his socks off. My post above had the caveat "Under the premise that he is traded".

We kind of have a 3 headed monster already though with Slavin, Pesce, and Faulk. Hanifin has more upside than Pesce, particularly offensively, but I'd be surprised if Hanifin is ever better than Pesce defensively. A four headed monster would be just fine with me though.

The other thing Hanifin does is QB the PP and frankly, is getting pretty good at it. I don't see any of the other guys doing that effectively.