Value of: Offseason Marleau Cap Dump to Detroit

[Junohockeyfan]

Would Marleau + 3rd for 2020 3rd work?

LOL

How does a swap of 3rd round picks sweeten the pot in a trade for a massive cap dump?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Marleau won't waive to go to Detroit. If he does get dealt, he will probably want to go to a cup contender.

It might not even be worth it anyway to trade him. He has only a year left after this one.

He might wave. It is his choice.

 

[Leaf Fans]

If i'm Marleau i tell Dubas to stuff it. He came to TO to try to win a cup. Why would he agree to leave when they are a perceived (albeit a weak) contender? He's playing out that contract.

But you are not Marleau.

 

[innitfam]

He might wave. It is his choice.

No, he won't, unless going to a top contender. Why would he?

 

[Leaf Fans]

No, he won't, unless going to a top contender. Why would he?

He might. I don't know why. He doesn't discuss it with me. I know as much as you do. It is his choice. If he has the chance to go to Detroit he will decide. Waive if he wants or decline if he doesn't.

 

[TakeTheBody]

If i'm Marleau i tell Dubas to stuff it. He came to TO to try to win a cup. Why would he agree to leave when they are a perceived (albeit a weak) contender? He's playing out that contract.

I think one of the main reasons he came is the Leafs were the only team to offer him three years. I agree that if he decides to go it will only be to a contender. Marleau was really good last year. Decent this year. And if the decline continues his salary will hurt next season. So in hindsight this signing was good only one of the three seasons. In a salary cap world in the big picture it was a bad signing. No matter what he brought to the team off the ice. Maybe we get lucky and he plays real next season. Doubtful. Not impossible.

 

[Pelle31]

Handshake agreement to Orpik Marleau

Marleau+Brown to DET for 2019 4th

TO pays signing bonus, DET buys out Marleau

Marleau re-ups in Toronto for 1yr/xxM (doesn't really matter)

TO saves cap, retains Marleau

It may take more sweetener than that, or a lower value pick (7th RD probably) - Detroit is doing two distinct things here -

1 - helping TO with their cap problem, and
2 - taking on 2.08M of dead cap space for 2 seasons

Lol, why would Holland and the Red Wings do this to help a division rival? Try giving up the Leafs 1st rounder in 2020 for the Red Wings to consider this.

 

[Edgelord]

Lol, why would Holland and the Red Wings do this to help a division rival? Try giving up the Leafs 1st rounder in 2020 for the Red Wings to consider this.

go look at past salary dump trades.

 

[Pelle31]

go look at past salary dump trades.

Yes, but GMs around the league know the Leafs need to get cap space and they should put the screws to them.

 

[ACC1224]

I'm spit-balling here and I'm not sure who's gonna hate this idea more between Toronto and Detroit fans.

What would the value be of Detroit taking $6.25M off Toronto's books? Marleau ain't really worth that money anymore, and the Leafs can't afford that in their current cap situation, but Detroit can. Plus it adds a veteran leader to Detroit for the kids to learn from, which Holland loves.

I was initially thinking Detroit upgrades their 2nd to Toronto's 1st and takes on Marleau, but Toronto already dealt their 1st.

So basically, what's the value of Toronto clearing some much needed space, and from both team's perspectives, would you do it?

Marleau = NMC

 

[one2gamble]

He got that nmc because he knew this would happen in year 3. You guys are crazy to think he would waive. He won't even be asked to do so

 

[mouser]

go look at past salary dump trades.

Which past salary dump trades involve a NMC?

 

[FissionFire]

I'm pretty sure that Marleau is going on LTIR or retiring after July 1 at which point he will be "traded" to a team like Ottawa to hit the cap floor but never leave his home or family in Toronto, aka the Datsyuk / Hossa special

Hardly similar cases. Hossa developed a mystery rash that was never reported/documented prior and the timing just worked out perfectly for Chicago. Datsyuk legit retired (filed retirement papers and everything) so he could play near his daughter in the KHL. Detroit wanted him back and his situation didn’t benefit them in the slightest.

FYI Datsyuk’s cap hit when he retired is very similar to what Marleau’s is and Detroit had to give up Chychrun to get Arizona to take the cap on. If Marleau retires (zero salary due) that’s probably what it’ll cost, a highly valued prospect with picks coming back. If Marleau goes LTIR it probably costs more since the team has to pay actual dollars now instead of just cap space.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Hardly similar cases. Hossa developed a mystery rash that was never reported/documented prior and the timing just worked out perfectly for Chicago. Datsyuk legit retired (filed retirement papers and everything) so he could play near his daughter in the KHL. Detroit wanted him back and his situation didn’t benefit them in the slightest.

FYI Datsyuk’s cap hit when he retired is very similar to what Marleau’s is and Detroit had to give up Chychrun to get Arizona to take the cap on. If Marleau retires (zero salary due) that’s probably what it’ll cost, a highly valued prospect with picks coming back. If Marleau goes LTIR it probably costs more since the team has to pay actual dollars now instead of just cap space.

I dunno if I'd say we "Had to give up Chychrun"...

... We ended up picking two guys who are turning out to be better defenders.

 

[FissionFire]

I dunno if I'd say we "Had to give up Chychrun"...

... We ended up picking two guys who are turning out to be better defenders.

At the time Chychrun was viewed by and far as the best available defenseman and nobody expected Detroit to have a chance to draft him. That things developed different down the road doesn’t change the valuation of the player at the moment the trade was made.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

At the time Chychrun was viewed by and far as the best available defenseman and nobody expected Detroit to have a chance to draft him. That things developed different down the road doesn’t change the valuation of the player at the moment the trade was made.

Sure. On the other hand Detroit just possibly saw Cholowski and that he probably wasn't gonna be picked by #20 and figured they could pick him and another pick up.

They did the same thing with Mantha in 2013 and got Bertuzzi out of it.

 

[MisterT]

Strange... Mike Green wanted to keep his family in Detroit so badly that he declined waiving his for Toronto.

Thank Christ for that.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Thank Christ for that.

Right? Might've actually helped the Leafs win a round.

 

[Oddbob]

Toronto will move Brown, Zaitsev and whoever else before anything to do with Marleau. Also, Marleau isn't playing that badly, only has one more season on the deal, and the Leafs like him, so I think he stays. Also, Babcock is a big fan of Marleau and one of the reasons Marleau came to Toronto. If they needed to trade him, retaining 50% and Marleau for just over 3 million isn't too bad for one season and there would be contending teams that could afford that.

 

[Limekiller]

There is zero chance Marleau gets traded to the Sharks or anywhere else. If he only wanted a 2 year deal, he would never have gone to Toronto in the first place. The only reason he went was Toronto was willing to give him 3 years with the NMC. I think there's zero chance they even ASK him to waive. He is incredibly highly respected within the Toronto locker room, and trying to force him out, by doing things like perma-benching him if he declined to waive (as I have seen Toronto fans say will happen) would go over like a lead balloon with his teammates. Hell, look at what Matthews did at the ASG as a tribute to Marleau. Look at all the news reports about the close relationship between Marleau, Matthews, and Marner. How do you think those two would take it if the Leafs' management disrespected Marleau in such a fashion? Marleau is going nowhere. The Leafs are going to have to look elsewhere to solve their salary cap issues.

 

[A1LeafNation]

There is zero chance Marleau gets traded to the Sharks or anywhere else. If he only wanted a 2 year deal, he would never have gone to Toronto in the first place. The only reason he went was Toronto was willing to give him 3 years with the NMC. I think there's zero chance they even ASK him to waive. He is incredibly highly respected within the Toronto locker room, and trying to force him out, by doing things like perma-benching him if he declined to waive (as I have seen Toronto fans say will happen) would go over like a lead balloon with his teammates. Hell, look at what Matthews did at the ASG as a tribute to Marleau. Look at all the news reports about the close relationship between Marleau, Matthews, and Marner. How do you think those two would take it if the Leafs' management disrespected Marleau in such a fashion? Marleau is going nowhere. The Leafs are going to have to look elsewhere to solve their salary cap issues.

He want 3 years worth of money, which he gets by July 1st.

 

[Isles72]

I'd assume toronto wouldnt want to tarnish the relationship with marleau by asking him to waive the nmc but I suppose theres always a chance through back channels he ends up back in SJ (no idea what their cap grief is at so just spittin )

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Which past salary dump trades involve a NMC?

Phaneuf to Ottawa comes to mind immediately

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

There is zero chance Marleau gets traded to the Sharks or anywhere else. If he only wanted a 2 year deal, he would never have gone to Toronto in the first place. The only reason he went was Toronto was willing to give him 3 years with the NMC. I think there's zero chance they even ASK him to waive. He is incredibly highly respected within the Toronto locker room, and trying to force him out, by doing things like perma-benching him if he declined to waive (as I have seen Toronto fans say will happen) would go over like a lead balloon with his teammates. Hell, look at what Matthews did at the ASG as a tribute to Marleau. Look at all the news reports about the close relationship between Marleau, Matthews, and Marner. How do you think those two would take it if the Leafs' management disrespected Marleau in such a fashion? Marleau is going nowhere. The Leafs are going to have to look elsewhere to solve their salary cap issues.

IF he wins a cup I could see him waving, because at that point he's got nothing to play for, he would have acomplished what he came here to do.

Either wag he's fantastic and i hope he does pl his final year

 

[Leaf Fans]

Hardly similar cases. Hossa developed a mystery rash that was never reported/documented prior and the timing just worked out perfectly for Chicago. Datsyuk legit retired (filed retirement papers and everything) so he could play near his daughter in the KHL. Detroit wanted him back and his situation didn’t benefit them in the slightest.

FYI Datsyuk’s cap hit when he retired is very similar to what Marleau’s is and Detroit had to give up Chychrun to get Arizona to take the cap on. If Marleau retires (zero salary due) that’s probably what it’ll cost, a highly valued prospect with picks coming back. If Marleau goes LTIR it probably costs more since the team has to pay actual dollars now instead of just cap space.

Detroit never had Chychrun. They moved 4 spots down in the draft. Got a 2nd and Joe Vitale