Official Tank Thread

[Kennerback]

Montreal has no history of selling off assets if it’s in the mix. There’s no economic point of selling off in a market like this unless the team is really bad. Ownership will make the wager of making the playoffs, it means more money in the coffers and keeping most fans happy. The HFboard Tankers are a very small constituency. If we’re really in no man’s land (or worse) at the deadline, then they’ll relent.

 

[Sorinth]

Montreal has no history of selling off assets if it’s in the mix. There’s no economic point of selling off in a market like this unless the team is really bad. Ownership will make the wager of making the playoffs, it means more money in the coffers and keeping fans most fans happy. The HFboard Tankers are a very small constituency. If we’re really in no man’s land (or worse) at the deadline, then they’ll relent.

Not that I think we should sell if we are fighting for the playoffs, but we do have a history, and a very positive one at that. Gainey sold Rivet when we were in a playoff race that we just missed out on, but it gave us Pacioretty and all that followed.

 

[26Mats]

Savard would be a UFA, so I see them trading him and then using a lesser pick to acquire a veteran D man on an expiring contract, or maybe grabbing an overpaid veteran D man with another year left, something like that.

Armia might re-sign on a cheap short term deal.. so I think at the end both Dvorak and Savard are moved; Evans is re-signed and they bring Armia back very cheap.

They may not move Savard or Dvo. Even if they don't plan on re-signing them. They may keep them both to try to make a push for the p li ayoffs.

Laine just said publicly he wanted out of Columbus because he was sick of management giving up in the middle the season. Is HuGo going to give up on the te as m this year of we're fighting for a playoff spot?

But it would be sweet to get a 2nd or 1st for Savard and then use a lower pick to get an RD to replace him. But I don't see Hughes doing it. And Engles was speculating last night that he thinks Savard doesn't even fetch a 2nd at the deadline with his play right now.

Montreal has no history of selling off assets if it’s in the mix. There’s no economic point of selling off in a market like this unless the team is really bad. Ownership will make the wager of making the playoffs, it means more money in the coffers and keeping most fans happy. The HFboard Tankers are a very small constituency. If we’re really in no man’s land (or worse) at the deadline, then they’ll relent.

I think don't sell more to not throw the players under the bus than for a financial decision. But I could be wrong.

 

[Kennerback]

Not that I think we should sell if we are fighting for the playoffs, but we do have a history, and a very positive one at that. Gainey sold Rivet when we were in a playoff race that we just missed out on, but it gave us Pacioretty and all that followed.

My memory of Gainey is he would never sell off even when he should have. It was always half assed measure. I was very frustrated about it because the club needed a huge injection of talent. Much more so than we do today…. I don’t remember the specifics of the Rivet trade but my vague recollection was that Rivet had overstayed his welcome.

 

[DAChampion]

Montreal has no history of selling off assets if it’s in the mix. There’s no economic point of selling off in a market like this unless the team is really bad. Ownership will make the wager of making the playoffs, it means more money in the coffers and keeping most fans happy. The HFboard Tankers are a very small constituency. If we’re really in no man’s land (or worse) at the deadline, then they’ll relent.

Back in 2006, Gainey traded Murray (edit: Rivet) for a 1st and Josh Gorges. Today, that trade is still reaping dividends as the Habs top player is Nick Suzuki, whom was acquired for Pacioretty. There might be more parts to the tree.

I think we could we'll see a combination of buying and selling, it depends on the health of the team and the performance of the Laval players.

 

[DAChampion]

My memory of Gainey is he would never sell off even when he should have. It was always half assed measure. I was very frustrated about it because the club needed a huge injection of talent. Much more so than we do today…. I don’t remember the specifics of the Rivet trade but my vague recollection was that Rivet had overstayed his welcome.

Well, one could argue Gainey should have sold Sourray in 2007, Streit in 2008, and Komisarek Kovalev Markov Koivu Tanguay in 2009, plus it was a different era, back then rentals fetched a lot more.

But the real loss goes the other way, Gainey failed to acquire Sundin and Hossa in 2008. For Hossa Gainey had the best offer on the table but the other GM picked a lesser offer cause he was dim. Sundin nixed the deal for reasons I never got. With those trades, the 2008 team would have been a Cup favourite.

 

[26Mats]

Back in 2006, Gainey traded Murray (edit: Rivet) for a 1st and Josh Gorges. Today, that trade is still reaping dividends as the Habs top player is Nick Suzuki, whom was acquired for Pacioretty. There might be more parts to the tree.

I think we could we'll see a combination of buying and selling, it depends on the health of the team and the performance of the Laval players.

It's going to be interesting to see what they plan for Mailloux and Reinbacher. Do they make a space for them next year or make them beat out a vet in camp?

It seems the current dcore is solid. May want to keep it as is and only trade Matheson and Savard when Reinbacher and Mailloux are clearly ready to over take them.

It also seems Struble may soon have the same fate as Barron, Harris, and Kovacevic. With Hutson, Guhle, and Xhekaj, there's no room for him on the left side long term. And the kid needs to play.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Gainey also traded away Huet for a second round pick right before our playoff run, maybe one of the stupidest things I've ever witnessed until of course his Gomez trade.

 

[Kennerback]

Well, one could argue Gainey should have sold Sourray in 2007, Streit in 2008, and Komisarek Kovalev Markov Koivu Tanguay in 2009, plus it was a different era, back then rentals fetched a lot more.

But the real loss goes the other way, Gainey failed to acquire Sundin and Hossa in 2008. For Hossa Gainey had the best offer on the table but the other GM picked a lesser offer cause he was dim. Sundin nixed the deal for reasons I never got. With those trades, the 2008 team would have been a Cup favourite.

The situation has changed so much. We couldn’t get Hossa or Sundin or other top talent, and somehow today Laine just falls on our lap. Add to that a prospect like Demidov waiting in the wings. It’s an unprecedented situation.

 

[DAChampion]

Gainey also traded away Huet for a second round pick right before our playoff run, maybe one of the stupidest things I've ever witnessed until of course his Gomez trade.

What I've read is that the Hossa deal also included Hedberg, but again Don Waddel accepted a lesser offer from Pittsburgh.

 

[Kennerback]

Gainey also traded away Huet for a second round pick right before our playoff run, maybe one of the stupidest things I've ever witnessed until of course his Gomez trade.

Serge Savard would publicly say that in Montreal you couldn’t sell off and had to compete at all cost. He would complain that the Draft prevented us from getting stars like Lafleur or Beliveau again. Which put us in the impossible situation of trying to make it with lesser talent. What kept us afloat was Roy and then Price.

 

[DAChampion]

It's going to be interesting to see what they plan for Mailloux and Reinbacher. Do they make a space for them next year or make them beat out a vet in camp?

It seems the current dcore is solid. May want to keep it as is and only trade Matheson and Savard when Reinbacher and Mailloux are clearly ready to over take them.

It also seems Struble may soon have the same fate as Barron, Harris, and Kovacevic. With Hutson, Guhle, and Xhekaj, there's no room for him on the left side long term. And the kid needs to play.

It's going to be interesting.

Hughes will have a lot of options if Reinbacher, Mailloux, Engstrom, Struble each stat healthy and play well. He can either keep them on the roster or use them as trade bait. They could all make the team, or Savard can stay in the third pair, or as some fans advocate the team could acquire Dobson or Andersson. A lot of choices.

Most agree that this team needs an RD more than it needs an impact forward, but it may be that the latter is the best player available on the trade market.

Hutson, Guhle, Xhekaj can form the LD.

 

[26Mats]

It's going to be interesting.

Hughes will have a lot of options if Reinbacher, Mailloux, Engstrom, Struble each stat healthy and play well. He can either keep them on the roster or use them as trade bait. They could all make the team, or Savard can stay in the third pair, or as some fans advocate the team could acquire Dobson or Andersson. A lot of choices.

Most agree that this team needs an RD more than it needs an impact forward, but it may be that the latter is the best player available on the trade market.

Hutson, Guhle, Xhekaj can form the LD.

Can Struble be sent to Laval? At this point he needs to play, but the top 6 is set.

Would be nice to use Matheson and some of our surplus assets to get Rasmus Anderson or another similar RD. But I'm curious to see where Matheson takes his game on the right side knowing that would be his role in Montreal if he wants to stay long term. How well can he fill that role? What adjustments to his play will he make to try to be a good partner for Hutson? Being off PP1, he's now on pace for 40 points instead of 55 to 60.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Habs are getting more pts, getting closer to a playoff spot, or to say it differently, in da mix.
This thread will need to be closed if we are in the mix. Selling players will be cancelled if HuGo think they are all usefull to make a run at the SC.

 

[domiwroze]

Bottom of the league.

The problem with making the playoffs is that we might do like in 2021, make the finals, draft 31st and not fire our incomptent GM and coach.

Or worse, we might win the Cup which would mask all of our problems for at least four months and badly set back a proper rebuild.

10/10 rage bait, well done

 

[salbutera]

Not that I think we should sell if we are fighting for the playoffs, but we do have a history, and a very positive one at that. Gainey sold Rivet when we were in a playoff race that we just missed out on, but it gave us Pacioretty and all that followed.

That deal also provided an NHL ready Dman in Gorges. Savard & Dvorak will not net an NHL ready player Habs can slot into everyday lineup

Gainey also traded away Huet for a second round pick right before our playoff run, maybe one of the stupidest things I've ever witnessed until of course his Gomez trade.

Gainey wanted to clear the path for Price to takeover as starting G

 

[Kennerback]

That deal also provided an NHL ready Dman in Gorges. Savard & Dvorak will not net an NHL ready player Habs can slot into everyday lineup


Because he wanted to clear the path for Price to takeover as starting G

If we have a reasonable chance at making the playoffs, they’ll only trade Savard & Dvorak if they can get an immediate upgrade in return. At the very least someone equivalent to use right now. The only way I would see them traded for picks then, is if we have someone ready internally that would be just as good or better. Using a fictitious example if Mailloux & Beck had reached their level.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Gainey wanted to clear the path for Price to takeover as starting G

Doing that right before a playoff run when you've been relying on both goalies is stupid, also price was a rookie and was very shaky in the playoffs. Just another terrible move in a long line of terrible moves.

 

[salbutera]

Doing that right before a playoff run when you've been relying on both goalies is stupid, also price was a rookie and was very shaky in the playoffs. Just another terrible move in a long line of terrible moves.

Price was alternating w Huet starting in early Dec and playing 2-of-3 leading up to deadline

 

[morhilane]

Can Struble be sent to Laval? At this point he needs to play, but the top 6 is set.

He's not waiver exempt anymore, I don't remember the total games he needed to play to lose it, but there was room after he started to struggle to send him down before they lost the chance.

Management made a mistake there, he needs the ice time to develop and now he can't get it. I think he gets traded before July 1st too, especially with how Engstrom is developing in Laval this year. Just don't send him to the Bruins...

 

[JianYang]

Not that I think we should sell if we are fighting for the playoffs, but we do have a history, and a very positive one at that. Gainey sold Rivet when we were in a playoff race that we just missed out on, but it gave us Pacioretty and all that followed.

That was a calculated sell. They put gorges in the lineup quickly because they thought they had a regular nhler on their hands.

After an initial tough period, it turns out they were right on gorges. I think they pulled trigger on that deal because it addressed the present as well as the future.

Doing that right before a playoff run when you've been relying on both goalies is stupid, also price was a rookie and was very shaky in the playoffs. Just another terrible move in a long line of terrible moves.

Remember that hossa deal that fell through at the last second? I wouldn't be shocked if Johan hedberg was part of that too.

 

[Frankenheimer]

My memory of Gainey is he would never sell off even when he should have. It was always half assed measure. I was very frustrated about it because the club needed a huge injection of talent. Much more so than we do today…. I don’t remember the specifics of the Rivet trade but my vague recollection was that Rivet had overstayed his welcome.

Rivet trade gave us Pacioretty. Also the standards in Montreal were very different at that time. The fanbase was intolerant to idea of rebuilding. This is new in Montreal since arrival of Gorton and message from Molson.

The hard cap following lockout changed strategy completely for GMs. Tanking became globally accepted for big clubs who could formally buy players to remain competitive.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Price was alternating w Huet starting in early Dec and playing 2-of-3 leading up to deadline

Doesn't matter, you don't dump your veteran goal tender for a draft pick before the playoffs.

 

[JianYang]

My memory of Gainey is he would never sell off even when he should have. It was always half assed measure. I was very frustrated about it because the club needed a huge injection of talent. Much more so than we do today…. I don’t remember the specifics of the Rivet trade but my vague recollection was that Rivet had overstayed his welcome.

His team finished 1st in the conference on year 5, which was also around the time Montreal was considered to have one of the best prospect pools in the league.

He had to be a buyer at this point, and he was.

The argument for selling would have been after that disaster 08/09 season, where they proceeded to gut the core, but they instead ended up signing cammalleri, gionta, spacek, Gill, moen and trading for gomezetc... and then the following season they went to the 3rd round although I can't remember if gainey was still there at that point.

 

[NeptunesTrident]

Truthfully if I had been told a month ago we could be in contention for a wild card spot I wouldn't have believed it. Not sure what changed but I'm happy the boys are figuring it out.