Official Tank Thread

Maitz

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The problem with the leafs core is that they are soft AND they are not willing to pay the price, block shot and go in the corner. You can have one soft or maybe 2 softs players but you have to get a good bottom 6 with grit and minimum of skills. I like Knies there but outside of him that lineup is really not deep
 

Grate n Colorful Oz

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He can still play for sure. It will be interesting what teams will pay for him in the office season.

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The only message this organization will understand if IF and WHEN the stands will be half full for a game in Montreal.
 

HuGort

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I was actually thinking of the leafs and did a little analysis. I checked Leafs RS finish and their draft 1st rd only since 2010-2020 and signed FA's once rebuild was over

2010-11 - Finished 22nd - NO 1st Rd Pick in 2010
2011-12 - Finished 27th - Biggs 22nd in 2011
2012-13 - Finished 10th - Rielly 5th in 2012
2013-14 - Finished 22nd - Gauthier 21st in 2013
2014-15 - Finished 27th - Nylander 8th in 2014
2015-16 - Finished 30th - Marner 4th in 2015
2016-17 - Finished 14th - Matthews 1st in 2016
2017-18 - Finished 6th - Liljegren 17th in 2017 & (Marleau & Hyman signed FA)
2018-19 - Finished 8th -Sandin 29th in 2018 (Tavares signed FA)
2019-20 - Finished 12th - No pick in 2019
2020-21 - Finished 7th - Amira 15th in 2020

what does this tell us. It seems they committed to their rebuild in the 2011-12 season
Were bottom 10 for the next 5 season 2011-2016.
Drafted a franchise player in Matthews in 16 and ended their rebuild in 2017 by signing key FA's
so we can say their rebuild took 5-6 years

food for thought, we are in year 3

Counter arguments would be Ducks, CBJ, Sabres etc... but I think we have been drafting better and developing better in those 3 years, just need to continue being waiting for prospect to mature and gain experience and transition from Rebuilding to Competing, which I think should start happening during our 2026-2027 not before

my 2 cents
They wouldn't have traded their picks in 2010 and 2011 been a great team. Hamilton and Seguin are core players.
 

RationalExpectations

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I was actually thinking of the leafs and did a little analysis. I checked Leafs RS finish and their draft 1st rd only since 2010-2020 and signed FA's once rebuild was over

2010-11 - Finished 22nd - NO 1st Rd Pick in 2010
2011-12 - Finished 27th - Biggs 22nd in 2011
2012-13 - Finished 10th - Rielly 5th in 2012
2013-14 - Finished 22nd - Gauthier 21st in 2013
2014-15 - Finished 27th - Nylander 8th in 2014
2015-16 - Finished 30th - Marner 4th in 2015
2016-17 - Finished 14th - Matthews 1st in 2016
2017-18 - Finished 6th - Liljegren 17th in 2017 & (Marleau & Hyman signed FA)
2018-19 - Finished 8th -Sandin 29th in 2018 (Tavares signed FA)
2019-20 - Finished 12th - No pick in 2019
2020-21 - Finished 7th - Amira 15th in 2020

what does this tell us. It seems they committed to their rebuild in the 2011-12 season
Were bottom 10 for the next 5 season 2011-2016.
Drafted a franchise player in Matthews in 16 and ended their rebuild in 2017 by signing key FA's
so we can say their rebuild took 5-6 years

food for thought, we are in year 3

Counter arguments would be Ducks, CBJ, Sabres etc... but I think we have been drafting better and developing better in those 3 years, just need to continue being waiting for prospect to mature and gain experience and transition from Rebuilding to Competing, which I think should start happening during our 2026-2027 not before

my 2 cents
Not comparable, TOR did not have Suzuki CC Dach Newhook Guhle all 2 to 5 years older than the 1st draft year if the New regime.

And they got Matthews, there is no Matthews in this draft and Habs would have at most 25% chance at McKenna next year.

I think people are falling in love with the abstract concept of potential forgetting the very tangible concept of winning ;)
 

Twisted Sinister

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Not comparable, TOR did not have Suzuki CC Dach Newhook Guhle all 2 to 5 years older than the 1st draft year if the New regime.

And they got Matthews, there is no Matthews in this draft and Habs would have at most 25% chance at McKenna next year.

I think people are falling in love with the abstract concept of potential forgetting the very tangible concept of winning ;)


Look, I mean, I honestly didn't go into the season looking to tank. I was going to give them a chance. If we started to become better due to the pieces we have in place. If Slaf became dominant, if our D started to look competent, if Dach looked like a 2C, then I would have been fine with us becoming better. If our top players aren't going to win us games or start to dominate, I'd much rather get stars than have f***ing Rafael Harvey Pinard get us a bunch of fluke goals and cause us to draft David Reinbacher.
 

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