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salbutera said:
Habs could be 3pts back of Det / CBJ as of Sat night and potentially 1 as of next Tuesday night w TBay/Car being their next opponent
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Those teams have been playing so well though.

And we didn't look great last night. The Sabres have been playing well. Interested to see how we do against them.
 
salbutera said:
Habs could be 3pts back of Det / CBJ as of Sat night and potentially 1 as of next Tuesday night w TBay/Car being their next opponent
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There are 3 teams between us and the wildcard spot and the Islanders can also overtake us. But yes if we win all our games and the teams above us and the Islanders all go on a horrible finish, we can make the playoffs. If you think it's even remotely realistic, then kudos to you on that optimism.
 
26Mats said:
Those teams have been playing so well though.

And we didn't look great last night. The Sabres have been playing well. Interested to see how we do against them.
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Neither did Jets who also won in OT or Cgy who scored towards end of 3rd period to break a tie…
 
The Great Weal said:
There are 3 teams between us and the wildcard spot and the Islanders can also overtake us. But yes if we win all our games and the teams above us and the Islanders all go on a horrible finish, we can make the playoffs. If you think it's even remotely realistic, then kudos to you on that optimism.
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It’s not blind optimism, Habs schedule for remainder of the year vs teams they’re competing with for a wildcard spot is easier in strength including 3 back-to-backs all within 1hr flight or less (Van-Sea, Phi-Car, Sens-Tor), and play:

- Sens & Philly x2
- NYI, Det, Bos
 
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salbutera said:
It’s not blind optimism, Habs schedule for remainder of the year vs teams they’re competing with for a wildcard spot is easier in strength including 3 back-to-backs all within 1hr flight or less (Van-Sea, Phi-Car, Sens-Tor), and play:

- Sens & Philly x2
- NYI, Det, Bos
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Habs were the best team in the league dealing with the hardest schedule and went to the worst team in the league when it got significantly easier. So I think it’s blind optimism to assume that the 3 teams fighting for their playoff lives will all completely shit to bed, the Isles won’t overtake us, the Flyers give up completely, AND the Habs play like a top team in the league for the rest of the season without Guhle.
 
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The Great Weal said:
Habs were the best team in the league dealing with the hardest schedule and went to the worst team in the league when it got significantly easier. So I think it’s blind optimism to assume that the 3 teams fighting for their playoff lives will all completely shit to bed, the Isles won’t overtake us, the Flyers give up completely, AND the Habs play like a top team in the league for the rest of the season without Guhle.
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If the Habs don’t win both games vs Buf, this exercise is a moot point, but if they do…. Habs will be 2pts & 3pts from wildcard spots with Det / CBJ holding game in hand that’s reality not blind optimism.

Playing 2 or 3 games better than opposition over final 20+ GP does not require your opponent “completely shitting the bed”, it’s the reality of league wide parity..
 
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Canadiens need to win 17-18 games now and can only afford to lose 6 for the end of the season. Not gonna be easy
 
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salbutera said:
If the Habs don’t win both games vs Buf, this exercise is a moot point, but if they do…. Habs will be 2pts & 3pts from wildcard spots with Det / CBJ holding game in hand assuming that that’s reality not blind optimism.
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You're ignoring the 3 teams ahead of us and 2 teams right on our asses, it's definitely blind optimism. The points difference isn't the issue. The issue is the number of teams we need to outperform while already being behind the eight ball. To make it simple, we need to do better than 6 teams playing competitive hockey as well to make the playoffs regardless of point totals.
salbutera said:
Playing 2 or 3 games better than opposition over final 20+ GP does not require your opponent “completely shitting the bed”, it’s the reality of league wide parity..
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When you're competing for limited spots against many teams, you definitely need them do shit to bed because all it takes is one of those higher ranked teams than us to match our pace and we're done.

These two games against the Sabres shouldn't matter as that skid before the break already set our fate for this season unless everything works in our favour for the rest of the season without our best overall dman.
 
Of course I'd rather a top 5 pick again but I'm ok with the team winning as well, they need to take steps forward too.

Ideally a pick near ~10th overall (where they are now) is attainable.
 
ottawa said:
Of course I'd rather a top 5 pick again but I'm ok with the team winning as well, they need to take steps forward too.

Ideally a pick near ~10th overall (where they are now) is attainable.
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If we can walk away with Carter Bear at the draft I’ll be happy. Guy is a bulldog.

The way we’re going we won’t be a position to draft one of the C’s.
 
McGuires Corndog said:
If we can walk away with Carter Bear at the draft I’ll be happy. Guy is a bulldog.

The way we’re going we won’t be a position to draft one of the C’s.
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Brady Martin is a C and brings a lot of jam and his skill is elevating. I wouldn't mind that at all.

I've already given up on getting Frondell or Desnoyers, we'd have to completely crater to be in range for them now.
 
habs winning 3 in a row

still going down the ranking
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CrazyBob said:
Canadiens need to win 17-18 games now and can only afford to lose 6 for the end of the season. Not gonna be easy
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With 16 wins and 6 losses to round out the season with 95 points and a reasonable chance of being in the playoffs, Montreal would need to play at a clip of .727!

Do you really believe we can play at that pace?

I find it very difficult to imagine. I think that the timing where we need to make decisions regarding the trade deadline just coincides with the easiest par of our schedule this season.

For me, it all comes down to whether we can get a 1st round pick for Evans, or a combination of Evans and Armia?

If we can't get a first round pick, I honestly don't see how flogging Armia and Evans really helps the team from a development perspective.

Of course, from a tanking perspective, it will only help, especially of no NHL player that can have a similar impact, even at a different position, like on RD, comes back in the trades.

No first rounder for Evans, or Evans + Armia, I say keep them all -- It won't make a difference and it will cement the team culture of self-sacrifice that is being developed, rewarding those that did so by not selling off contributors to this effort.

Still think the Habs will finish somewhere between 8th and 12th worst if we keep everyone. Can likely package picks + prospect to move up if a C we covet is still available for us. Otherwise, pick a RD and, perhaps, get a chance at Ryabkin that drops?

Ryabkin + Hensler?
 
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